She's a French citizen & could live in any EU country. As we left the UK 17 years ago, who would have thought that the UK would be that stupid. I took French citizenship the year after the referendum , which I may not have done either as there was no point previously.
You think Brexit will have no impact on your life. Come back in five years.
Destabilization of the Middle East - that will be something new then
I don’t mean this to sound patronising but I can’t get my head around living in another country for that length of time (with the exception of an Irish person in your particular situation) and not seeking citizenship at some point.
Lived in Sweden for 10 years pre Brexit, had no intention of seeking citizenship until the dumb shit that was Brexit happened. What’s the point when we’re all EU citizens already?
Interesting to see if her idea of national is ment for national French or European national, its a race to the bottom with movement of people in Europe IMO
Most right wingers have no problems with EU movement in fairness, it’s those who don’t look like them which scare them.
Because (assuming it’s my intention to stay there permanently or for a lengthy period at least) I couldn’t be a full participant in my adopted country.
Do you think Le Pen is to the left of Starmer?
For the reasons I said although we did consider it early on way back, decades ago but couldn't afford it at the time. You're talking about changing nationality. Even though she loved the UK at the time, why would she want to become British and to apply for citizenship or what is now considered the right to stay didn't exist. And we didn't live in the Uk when all the sh!t happened.
Probably on some things. It was said in a bit of jest but Starmer is not left leaning.
Le Pen is a French Nationalist/Fascist that has stopped talking about leaving the EU. But is full on ‘feck brown immigrants’.
Ha ha, what?
Ahh ok.
I suppose it depends on one’s interpretation of it. I would see it more as taking on a citizenship…and therefore becoming a dual national (unless of course I was from a country which forbids dual citizenship).
I can only imagine the annoyance of that, both at the time and to this day. Keep plugging away in the thread. There’s this strange omertà around Brexit now in the British political establishment and it’s more important than ever for people to keep it as an active talking point at the very least.
There’s no need for explanation Paul but it’s much appreciated all the same. It’s good to hear the real human stories behind it all and my best wishes to you.
How much is it now just out of interest?
I recall reading that Starmer was a Pabloite in his younger days, and I don’t think he’s ever recanted from that.
Oh that's fecked. I was reading about the none french thing just before.
There are some really sad stories of people I know and knew. Some really disastrous where people have lost everything and even suicides.
I don't know why he cares either. Brexit doesn't affect him nor does nazi France. Dutch flowers rotting in Dover inspections should bother no one
Starmer believes in whichever way the wind's blowing.
Well for a start non-citizens usually can’t vote in general elections.
I said a full participant, not a better participant, even though I agree with you that those who do learn the language and engage in the native culture and traditions, and so on, are in actual fact better participants.
No, not really. I’m not saying this to have a go or anything, but you found out the cost of not having this ‘full participation’ and it has been to your detriment. Having it is a protective mechanism if nothing else.
I think that crazy le pen won't get in, well I hope not.
He certainly isnt a right wing, bet he hates them.
So that’s it? The best reason you can come up with? Really?
How so?
Thousands.
No that’s not it. How about all the rights that actual citizenship confers?
I broadly agree with what you're saying as I mentioned previously, but in the context of this debate it is very much a philosophical point. In actual fact the document did and does mean something. Just look at all the issues that Paul, to his credit, keeps flagging.
You mentioned the hassle you’ve had in applying for passports for your kids. Presumably you’ve had other problems too?
I’m British, kids were born in Sweden, they are naturally Swedish citizens so there would be absolutely zero issues for them to get Swedish passports even if I was still an EU (British) citizen resident in Sweden.
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Just one of many things that Brexit fecked up and for zero gains. I'm very glad my son could get an Irish passport as a British one is useless now, unless you want to live and work in the UK, and Brexit hasn't exactly made that an attractive option.
So the last guy voted for brexit and Starmer is to blame? not him? feck him
I still don’t think people like Kinsella who have never lived in another EU country as an EU citizen quite understand just how easy it is, and how you can simply move and fully integrate/participate in another culture/way of life without having to jump through all of the hoops of visa applications, residency applications, citizenship applications etc.
Where are those damned sunlit uplands? Unicorns prancing around the meadows. I have no idea what they expected to happen or what they still think is going to happen. It's not going to get better, whatever.
Brexit affects every Brit even if we don't live there anymore. We all have friends and family and emotional ties to the place.
I agree. Utterly idiotic that the people who never wanted to leave the UK have fecked it up for those who do. And indeed fecked it up for everyone, themselves included by tanking the economy/fecking up trade.
Again agreed. I don't live there but I give a shit that is is being destroyed. The last 14 years of Tory rule have made Maggie's gutting of society look like amateur hour. From Austerity to Brexit to the right royal feckup that was the UK's Covid response - s total and utter shit show. On the bright side at least our children are losing height.
That should really be on our flag
Brexiteers are starting to look like drunks who blame their first grade teacher for how their life went.
You may have no interest at all in ever moving back, in which case, ignore me, but have you looked into spousal visas at all? You don't need earnings from employment for eligibility - savings, stocks, earnings from renting property etc can be enough. After five consecutive years, she could then apply for settlement (doesn't need full citizenship). None of my business at all so feel free to ignore!
I get why they want out of France now though. I hate racists too. Fecking weirdos.
