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AshfordLad said:
"Experts" are idiots anyway. One should duck when they tell you to jump. Everytime.
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People like you are the biggest problem with the world. It is why morons get elected despite being climate change deniers. It is why people think Pepsi Max contains formaldehyde. It is why dangerous loons like Trump could possibly be considered for the most powerful job in the world.
 
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Stanley Road said:
While I prefer reality I will entertain your question.

I would get on with it and move on, making the best of my new situation
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But the opportunities you have had will be denied to the current and future generations. Unless we pay even more than we are now but without all of the benefits and influence.
 
Wibble said:
People like you are the biggest problem with the world. It is why morons get elected despite being climate change deniers. It is why people think Pepsi Max contains formaldehyde. It is why dangerous loons like Trump could possibly be considered for the most powerful job in the world.
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Oh come now. He's a super-cool anti-intellectual. We simply can't have enough of his ilk.
 
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Stanley Road said:
When you are faced with difficult situations in life your concerns are more focussed on keeping yourself and your family afloat, less about political leanings.
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I find as I get older I care less and less about my personal situation and more and more about future generations - maybe out of fear that my son won't get the freedoms that I have been afforded - but I still hate the right wing political "i'm alright Jack" ethos that is infesting everywhere.
 
Wibble said:
People like you are the biggest problem with the world. It is why morons get elected despite being climate change deniers. It is why people think Pepsi Max contains formaldehyde. It is why dangerous loons like Trump could possibly be considered for the most powerful job in the world.
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Cool I think the same too. Your ideology is the Cancer of society and Trump is more of your doing than mine.

On a side note, I voted remain.
 
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SirHenryPercy said:
I do indeed work for a UK domiciled FS company, we also have a Spanish sales and marketing company who I am technically employed by. We have both Spanish and British staff here. We will 100% lose clients due to Brexit, we already have and as a result in time job losses will be inevitable.
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That sounds an identical setup to the boiler room I worked at on the Plaza de Castilla.
 
Rory 7 said:
Stupid cnuts. Voting to leave the best effort mankind has ever made at peace in this part of the world. Stupid cnuts.
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Would the peace you speak of have existed without NATO?


Rory 7 said:
For me the bottom line is the EU is a good idea. It needs reform but walking away from it is scandalous.
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Which of these reforms can you realistically envision in the near-medium term?
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Would the peace you speak of have existed without NATO?
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Nato kept Russia in check and europe within the US pockets. The EU allowed our economies to integrate so much that youll be stupid to pull out of it through war or anything else
 
Wibble said:

I find as I get older I care less and less about my personal situation and more and more about future generations - maybe out of fear that my son won't get the freedoms that I have been afforded - but I still hate the right wing political "i'm alright Jack" ethos that is infesting everywhere.
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Its human nature unfotunatly, you wouldnt put your neighbours first at the cost of your own family.

You cant get work here as easily as i did cos there aren't the quantity of jobs but if you have a wanted skill you dont need that passport.

My company is doing poss poor even tho we are the market leaders in our field. This is because the European economy is dead, no one is buying. i was shocked the other week in town, late night shopping and it was like a ghost town. It used to be heaving.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
You're prejudice blinds you, whilst it's true there are problems in Spain and that the recession was very deep there are also a lot of very positive signs for the country, it's currently enjoying one of the fastest growth rates in Western Europe.

Here is a bit of balance:

https://www.cebr.com/reports/the-sp...l-be-western-europes-fastest-growing-economy/

Despite this using your guide as to what constitutes a shithole then outside of London much of the rest of the U.K. would be shitholes. I'm sure you don't think that to be the case and therefore you should be able to see why levelling such a description against Spain is nonsense.
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Shithole is the preffered term my spanish colleagues use to describe it.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Would the peace you speak of have existed without NATO?

Which of these reforms can you realistically envision in the near-medium term?
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Reform could be possible if the will was there, the UK government had the perfect chance to force through reform after the vote this year. Everything could be up for grabs after that vote, reform of institutions, freedom of movement. But instead the U.K. are walking away. As for NATO of course that is part of the peace we've enjoyed in Western Europe no one said it wasn't. The point is the EU is the political manifestion of that peace.
 
Mozza said:
I can never spelt it right
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The way you spelt it, looks like a wordplay between moroccan and con (idiot or cnut in french) and if you pronounce it in french it sounds like "death to idiots".

So if she speaks french it could be fun.:lol:
 
JPRouve said:
The way you spelt it, looks like a wordplay between moroccan and con (idiot or cnut in french) and if you pronounce it in french it sounds like "death to idiots".

So if she speaks french it could be fun.:lol:
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She does speak French, one of their national languages
 
EU PUNISH UK WE PUNISH EU
Thirty countries issue warning to Brussels over threats they may be banned from doing business with Britain

Eurozone could be forced to broker fresh deals with trading partners or be sued for breach of contract

EU chiefs face potential multi-billion pound lawsuits over threats to sever trade links with post-Brexit Britain.

Up to 30 non-EU countries who have struck deals with Europe are furious they may be banned from doing business with the UK.

They will warn tough-talking Eurocrats: “If you punish Britain, we’ll punish you.”

It raises the prospect of Brussels being forced to broker fresh deals with trading partners or be sued for breach of contract.

A simmering backlash has been detected by International Trade Secretary Liam Fox in talks with non-EU nations.

A source said: “When they signed trade deals with the EU, they understood it would include Britain.

“For some the UK market was a major attraction so to be told they may be excluded in the future hasn’t gone down well.

“Some have consulted their legal departments and might consider taking action against the EU.”

Canada, Vietnam, South Africa, Ukraine, Colombia and Peru are among the countries with which the European Union has done deals.

The threat of litigation from outside Europe will give Britain a stronger hand in its fight to impose border controls but retain trade links.

Meanwhile French president Francois Hollande has called for EU partners to get “tough” with Britain.

It could mean the UK is denied access to a single market of 500 million unless an agreement to open borders to EU migrants is reached.

— THERESA May will step up her Brexit tour of Europe this week.

She heads for Copenhagen and The Hague tomorrow to see the Danish and Dutch leaders before meeting her Spanish counterpart in Madrid on Thursday.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19389...ver-threat-to-sever-trade-links-with-britain/
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Hollande at it again. If he stopped interfering in our affairs he could maybe improve things in France....after all he has only got 8 months left in which to make himself useful to the French people.
 
Red Defence said:
Hollande at it again. If he stopped interfering in our affairs he could maybe improve things in France....after all he has only got 8 months left in which to make himself useful to the French people.
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Hollande said nothing special and the rest of the article is probably made up, since there is no threat of embargo. Seriously don't be ridiculous mate.
 
François Hollande has sent one of the strongest warnings yet that Britain will have to pay a heavy price for leaving the European Union, adding to deep concern in financial markets.

“There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price, otherwise we will be in negotiations that will not end well and, inevitably, will have economic and human consequences,” the French president said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/uk-must-pay-price-for-brexit-says-francois-hollande
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It's been going on for the last few days.

The Socialist leader insisted: “There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price. Otherwise we will be in a negotiation that cannot end well.”

https://www.ft.com/content/5f84e4c4-8c17-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
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It's really no wonder he is so unpopular in France.
 
Red Defence said:
It's been going on for the last few days.
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Yes, he is saying that you can't leave the EU and keep all the benefits of being in it. You made a choice to leave and we will negotiate with you like we are currently negotiating with other countries.

For some reason, people from the UK seem to think that being treated like anyone else is a punishment, it's not. We will sit around the table and we will try to have the best deal for ourselves not for the UK but only for the EU.
 
Red Defence said:
That's ok, we understand that, it's just that he keeps on and on about it. Maybe it isn't in your press over there, I don't know, but has he really nothing better to do than bleating these "threats" at every opportunity.
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It's not in the press because it's not a new quote. It's the one you mentioned a few days ago.
 
Red Defence said:
That's ok, we understand that, it's just that he keeps on and on about it. Maybe it isn't in your press over there, I don't know, but has he really nothing better to do than bleating these "threats" at every opportunity.
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Hollande has not said or done anything wrong, all the utter garbage is being spouted by UK govt ministers who don't seem to even understand various treaty's etc that the UK is signed up to.

The govt could not be dealing with this any worse, we are the ones making the inflammatory speeches, completely refusing to offer EU nationals living and working in the UK security, continuously sending conflicting messages with Bojo's position on Turkey a classic example and the list just goes on and on.

The EU member states are naturally tiring of our hot air, jeez even most of us are tired of it so who can blame them.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Hollande has not said or done anything wrong, all the utter garbage is being spouted by UK govt ministers who don't seem to even understand various treaty's etc that the UK is signed up to.

The govt could not be dealing with this any worse, we are the ones making the inflammatory speeches, completely refusing to offer EU nationals living and working in the UK security, continuously sending conflicting messages with Bojo's position on Turkey a classic example and the list just goes on and on.

The EU member states are naturally tiring of our hot air, jeez even most of us are tired of it so who can blame them.
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Of course they understand the treaty they signed up to. The EU members are making inflammatory statements and Brussels refuses to say whether UK nationals living in the EU will be able to stay there or not, yet May has said that all EU nationals will be able to stay in the UK. However Juncker refuses to give the same deal to Brits. Bojo is only saying what Merkel has said so often.
 
Red Defence said:
Of course they understand the treaty they signed up to. The EU members are making inflammatory statements and Brussels refuses to say whether UK nationals living in the EU will be able to stay there or not, yet May has said that all EU nationals will be able to stay in the UK. However Juncker refuses to give the same deal to Brits. Bojo is only saying what Merkel has said so often.
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Boris Johnson clearly doesn't understand the Lisbon treaty and there is no point claiming he does, if he did he wouldn't have given an interview saying that any connection between free movement and full membership of the single market was 'complete baloney' would he?

May has not once said that EU nationals will be able to stay in the UK, that is not true. On the contrary we had Fox claiming that EU nationals would be used as a form of bargaining chips, however the govt has come to realise that their position is hopeless on this point as by the time for full exit comes round more than 80% of EU nationals will have earned the full right to stay. In contrast as a Brit living and working in an EU country there haven't been threats to us, the problems and concerns we are experiencing are due to the hostility of May and the three Brexit loons who are frankly an embarrassment to all Brits who are residing in other EU countries.
 
There isn't any connection between "access" to the single market and freedom of movement. Just ask Canada, USA, countries in Africa, SA etc. They haven't agreed freedom of movement have they?

As for May not saying EU national will be able to stay in UK...2 days ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-stay-after-brexit-600000-will-be-given-amne/

She knows they will be able to stay because it's from the Home Office.
 
JPRouve said:
If I'm not mistaken, we are working on a reform of the custom Union and Schengen.
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But how often do these reforms follow a path conducive to a streamlined and flexible European Union? Moves toward an EU Constitution, and ultimately the Lisbon Treaty, were hardly acts of reassurance to those concerned about the centralising influence of Brussels.


Rory 7 said:
Reform could be possible if the will was there, the UK government had the perfect chance to force through reform after the vote this year. Everything could be up for grabs after that vote, reform of institutions, freedom of movement. But instead the U.K. are walking away. As for NATO of course that is part of the peace we've enjoyed in Western Europe no one said it wasn't. The point is the EU is the political manifestion of that peace.
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Realistic would be the operative word there i think. We as a nation are not advocates of ever closer political union, which runs contrary to the ambitions of Brussels and the Franco-German bloc.

For the most part, peace could have been assured without the EU; not so if we'd lacked the presence of NATO. The European Union was once a very admirable idea, of which the continent could be proud, however as time has passed it has been overtaken by greed and the vanity of politicians. I didn't see a way of reversing this trajectory from within, so there was only one course open to me. Brexit. The UK will adapt and continue to prosper.
 
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Red Defence said:
There isn't any connection between "access" to the single market and freedom of movement. Just ask Canada, USA, countries in Africa, SA etc. They haven't agreed freedom of movement have they?

As for May not saying EU national will be able to stay in UK...2 days ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-stay-after-brexit-600000-will-be-given-amne/

She knows they will be able to stay because it's from the Home Office.
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As I just said to you the govt had no choice but to offer EU nationals the right to stay after we exit the EU, it's solely because by law more than 80% of those EU nationals will have earned the right to remain, it's not difficult to understand.

There is a connection between the single market and the free movement of people, the countries you mentioned are not members of the Customs Union they are instead granted access to it at a cost.

In addition you should note that access for goods and services are very different, and considering services make up 80% of our GDP it's even more of a concern.
 
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