The bigger firms tend to be the ones that hire most people, make most money and pay most taxes.
Oh well
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The bigger firms tend to be the ones that hire most people, make most money and pay most taxes.
Oh well
Read my post again. "some bigger firms" not all.
What can I say? Lets hope the likes of Boris, Fox and Davis will find a way to outfox them.
By "access" you literally mean access or free trade? Because the first one isn't even in contention, it's the latter who is in the middle of the conversation.
Well there's quite a good number of them though
Losing single market access a 'significant risk' to financial services: Tyrie
By Rozi Jones 20th September 2016
Finance News
http://www.financialreporter.co.uk/...ificant-risk-to-financial-services-tyrie.html
5,476 UK-registered firms hold at least one passport to do business in another EU or EEA member state. Firms hold multiple passports for different business activities and different member states, with the total number of passports held by UK firms amounting to 336,421.
8,008 firms registered in other EU or EEA member states also hold passports to do business in the UK.
The bulk of passports are issued either under MiFID, covering cross-border investment services, or the Insurance Mediation Directive. Passports are issued also under nine further directives.
Andrew Tyrie commented: “The business put at risk could be significant. Almost five and a half thousand UK firms are using passports to do business in Europe, and over eight thousand European firms are using passports to provide services in the UK.
“None of the current off-the-shelf arrangements can preserve existing passporting arrangements, while giving the UK the influence and control it needs over financial services regulation as it develops. Efforts to secure an appropriate arrangement for UK-based firms will be one of the most challenging aspects of the negotiations about the UK’s future relationship with the EU.
“No doubt the hard grind of establishing what best protects UK interests is already underway. This issue needs to be right at the top of the in-trays of the Chancellor, the Governor of the Bank of England, and the UK’s lead negotiators.”
Oh as long as it's only some of the biggest firms on the planet it's all right is it?
Do you know what "anti-intellectualism" means? Cuz it's rarely considered a positive trait.
I think the best reply I can give at the moment is that we haven't activated Article 50 yet so there's plenty of time for everyone to give sensible thought to this matter. There are big changes coming up for everyone in the world over the next couple of years, Brexit was just the start and there will be changes in France too, so everyone concerned will do the best for themselves with the situation as it is at the time of negotiation. We have a long way to go yet and many things will change before 2019.
Like the anti-... that we showed in not joining the euro when these "experts" ran a similar propaganda.
No one (apart from kick them immigrants lot) is saying its going to be easy. Its going to be painful in the short to medium term, infact I voted remain just thinking about this short term shit show. But long term its going to be a better outcome for the UK.
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Why?
What changes in France?
I was chatting to a leaver pre referendum and the first thing she could think of when I challanged her to name her problems with the eu was dim light bulbs
Funny that you should say that. I watched a documentary where they interviewed the common folk about the reasons why they voted yes or no. A man who had voted to leave said he had did so because he was afraid that "they' would take over our education system and that our kids would be forced to take menial jobs like picking sprouts!
I was left wondering why the reporter hadn't asked him who he thought should or (more importantly) was filling these demeaning positions that are clearly beneath us Brits!
A slight aside. As a relative newcomer to forum I stumbled upon this thread (having tired of the how much we hate..... threads) and am genuinely blown away by the high level of debate on here. I have been hooked, and I have actually learned something new about the whole eu debate. Seriously some of you guys make more sense than some of the idiotic politicians that imo left us badly informed and divided.
I'd imagine that freedom of movement is loved in some of the crap European countries that unemployed people cant wait to escape from and the govt cant wait to get rid of.
Exactly, seeing her with Hollande( The worst leader ever ) giving it large is just laughable. Hollande should also concentrate on turning his own shitheap country around before looking at the big picture.
its probably loved by the non xenophobic countries too as they tend to see immigration as a strength rather then a weakness.
The ones he pulls from thin air when continuing to spout utter bollocks.
Apparently it's not just the light bulbs that are dim in the UK
I suppose that he thinks about Le Pen being elected and asking for a frenchxit. But she is as unpopular as Hollande and on the right there is at least three candidates who are ahead of her.
Not everyone mind.
I'm a UK citizen working for a Polish company, so yes I love how freedom of movement allowed me to escape my crap European country.
Yep. I was probably a little quick with the praise. I did say some tbf.
Most brits wont consider moving as its unthinkable for them to speak a language which isnt english. However if you do care travelling in those countries you will be amazed how the economy of the new entrants had flourish in recent years. Malta is filled with brits, germans and italians living and working there. Poland, Czech Republic and co haven't reached that level but will soon be there. The eu issues are not regarding these countries but the so called old eu members some of whom are sinking in debt after years of irresponsible government
And Stanley is a UK citizen working in Holland so you'd think he'd have at least something positive to say about it too, but there you go; its all quite bizarre this Brexit lark.
Welcome to Brexit Britian where, being compared to Enoch Powell is a compliment.
Each week a new line is crossed. This is the beginnings of a fascist state and we need to stop it now. They're coming out the woodwork since the vote as they believe they have (and they might well be right) popular support. Genuinely scary.
Another extract from the Government National archives I posted earlier
Racism in Britain
Assessing how these immigrants have been welcomed in Britain since the 1950s is a complicated task. There was, and still is, a minority of hardcore racists, with policies based on the idea of 'keeping Britain white' and banning all immigration. Groups such as the British National Party (BNP) have remained on the extremist fringe of British politics. It is also true that black and Asian immigrants faced various degrees of hostility and racial prejudice in postwar Britain. Surveys conducted in the mid 1960s, for example, revealed that four out of five British people felt that 'too many immigrants had been let into the country'.
They feel free to express themselves now, is the Race Relations Act of 1968 still law?, if so, there are probably grounds to prosecute the government now.
Cos the UK has been crap for years regardless of the eu. that wont change any century soon. I have thought in the past about going back but after weighing up the pros and cons its better here.
I like living in Holland although 42% tax on my wages isn't much fun. I like living in Holland not because its I the EU and as I have posted before, my dutch mrs would like Holland to step out too.
I find the imbalance in Europe and the Eurozone abhorrent, I despise the leaders of some of its member countries, I don't care about freedom of movement at all, it was never on my mind. Some people moan about tax shy greeks but not tax shy conglomerates that EU leaders love to protect.
When someone living in the UK and gets employed by a dutch company and have to relocate, they are given a 30% tax exemption for 10 years, the company has to prove that the job was advertised in Holland first and there were no suitable applicants. Tell me there are no suitable applicants to fill positions in the UK done by foreigners, you cant. Everyone can pick strawberrys and work in a caf. That's why the UK is crap and full of opportunity for others, they cant sort their own shit out. In the years to come I don't believe the UK will be any different than it was on June 22nd, a day before the vote.
That's how I view the eu and the Eurozone.
I'm not sure you realise this but statements like this make most if not all sensible people disregard whatever you say after or prior to it.... unless you are saying it in jest? Which I doubt....
I really shouldn't bother, but if you are going to ignore anything an expert says then who exactly are you listening to?
And thats what I find bizarre about your position because the simple fact is that because of it you've been able to leave a life that you patently didn't enjoy in the UK and live and work in a place where you do. Sure you might have been able to do it without the EU; and sure it still may be difficult as you've alluded to; and sure you might happen to have skills that the locals didn't (although did you not say that you learnt most of the skills out there?); but nevertheless your life was substantially improved in whole or in part because of the option you had to move to Holland.
Now that obviously doesn't mean you have to be grateful to the EU or ignore its faults but when you yourself have benefited from it it does seem a tad like 'Well feck you guys I have mine' to complain so vociferously when you've been one of those people from, in your opinion, one of those 'crap European countries that unemployed people cant wait to escape'. (On reflection I realise this comes across as quite snide, but I didn't really mean it that way so apologies if it comes across as such).
As for the non-FoM related sections of your post, well we agree don't we? I don't think anyone thinks the EU is perfect, which is probably why Leave won, but by god if it isn't substantially better than the UK government has been in my lifetime or the post-Brexit government of Adolf May and her
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When I came to Holland if you could walk and talk at the same time you could get a job, not cos of the eu but the job market was the best it had been since 1973, since then I have learned a lot from my work experience but I came here without a single qualification from skool. That was 1998. The reason there are so many international companies here is cos the business tax rate for the first 10 years is very low, take note UK.
50% of the people in my office are from non eu european countries, the non dutch Europeans have left shitholes like spain and Italy where it seems illegal to have a job. Some of the one eu colleagues have the uk as their final destination, its the language, everybody speaks it.
While me and the mrs would be happy moving to the UK I never want to work there again, so if I could afford not to work there then I would be happy to live there, apart from fags and public transport everything is so much cheaper.
While my life has improved here it is not cos of the eu its because of the Netherlands. When I look to the east and south I cant think of a single country I'd like to live in, wouldn't mind one of the Nordic countries tho.
Bingo
Yeah, it's not the club you're in but the country you're in so being in that club is pointless imho.
"want to join our club?"
"Yes, would you like to go over our financial records?"
"No that wont be necessary"
As I've been saying all along, the fact that the UK is what it is, is not because of the EU but because of the UK.
You like Holland, I don't , I like France, you don't , because they're completely different countries with different laws, different cultures etc etc.
They both happen to be in the EU which allows free movement of people and goods
One thing we have in common is we both don't like the UK
I don't know if I'm explaining myself very well because this is the second reply in this chain that seems to have gone off on a tangent to my point.
I'm not saying that the EU has any impact on why you prefer the Netherlands. What I am saying is that the EU's laws on freedom of movement made it substantially easier for a bloke without qualifications to move to a country and work. If it would not have been impossible for you to move without it it (as it would be under the oft mooted points based system for example) then it did nonetheless substantially remove barriers and hurdles that your non-EU colleagues had to jump over (and again this is not to say that you didn't have to deal with bollocks either, just that the amount of bollocks was reduced) and go around. Of course you being lucky with the job market is a related factor, but it does not invalidate the rights you enjoyed as an EU citizen.
I just find it weird that for someone who is now substantially happier with their life than if they would have had to stay here you can quite flippantly turn around and say that you 'don't care' about something that you've benefited from in FoM. Whether you think that justifies the aspects of the EU you don't like or not is of course entirely up to you, but I just think its weird to completely disavow the opportunities it gave you.
I, of course, am hoping you're right and in a post-Brexit world it is not substantially more difficult for me to move to Europe because the way things are going (as a few of us spoke about above) its looking nigh on inevitable that I will have to move to stay in academia.
@Stanley Road - one other question I wanted to ask you, how would you feel if the Dutch government said to you that they no longer wanted you to stay in Holland and "request" that you return to the UK or if they said sorry but your job has to be taken by a Dutch national?
While I prefer reality I will entertain your question.
I would get on with it and move on, making the best of my new situation