It will be chilled foods imported from the EU that may fall short imo.
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Just what is this loss of power and influence? Some loss of trade I would accept, although it goes both ways, certain states within the EU will lose out, as with Ireland, quite heavily.
Its the power and influence bit... we only have any real power and influence when we are giving money or resources away, and we usually get little in return. The only real power and influence the UK exercises these days is via our seat/vote on the UN Security Council and if we stay in the EU that is likely to get swallowed up (along with France's seat) in favour of the USE; resulting from the march to 'every closer' Union The UK's supposed 'soft power' that people sometimes spout, is an illusion made up by others to 'big us up' when they want something from us.
Loss of trade with Brexit, yes there has always been a big risk and in the short term highly likely to be losses, but this business of loss of power and influence is an illusion. Just as some Brexiteers spout about 'sovereignty', some remainers spout about loss of 'power and influence' in both cases the majority is illusionary.
I heard today on the BBC that the only thing that has not been agreed is the fishing situation.
If that is correct, there must be progress being made.
If that is correct, there must be progress being made.
Actually there's vast amounts of EU regulations that are written almost exactly as proposed by UK regulatory bodies/ government. Something like 98% of regulations proposed by the UK have been adopted more or less unamended since we joined the EEA or whatever it was called. Now we will get 100% of nothing, yay. Or we'll make up our own rules and the trade deal goes out the window, double yay.
We also used to benefit disproportionately from EU science funding before Brexit too, not any more, we've been awarded much less than we put in since 2016 because nobody knows if the project would even have got finished since nobody knew when we were "leaving" or what "leaving" means.
Other examples would be e.g. the European Medicines Agency which used to be headquartered in London and has now I think moved to Amsterdam.
There are many more, these are just what spring to mind.
Seems some things are slightly closer on a mechanism if standards diverge but have worsened regarding fisheries.
Still the three topics to agree on, level playing field, fishing and governance. One goes up , one goes down.
Delaying tactics until Boris's bosses give the go ahead to pull the plug?
I still think there's an almighty fudge incoming where both sides claim success and the deal is done.
The Art of The Deal™
*Cries into haggis porridge*So, it seems, they've finally admitted that the only 'benefit' of Brexit is UK sovereignty.
fecking hell
The funny part is that we're all trying to second guess what's going through Boris's mind and whether he's going to agree a deal. It's doubtful that Boris knows what's going through Boris's mind.
Thank you both for responses. @Penna I'll look into a currency broker. The money isn't a great amount but I don't want half to be wiped out by a weak pound, especially when starting a new life in a new country.
You are correct @Cheimoon about it being difficult to predict what may happen. I reckon the pound will decline quite a bit and perhaps recover slightly, although to what extent is hard to guess, as you state. I do plan on moving to the country in mind when I can land a job there and using the savings to rent an apartment while saving up what I can from my job income.
It does sting losing the right to travel and work in 20 plus countries, some of which are home to beautiful cities with a rich history.
But it doesn’t beat myths, misdirections and outright lies printed on the sides of big red busses
Apparently his dumb act isn't genuine, he just pretends to be an idiot. He knows what he's doing.
Or maybe that's what he wants people to think and a spade really is a spade.
Such a shame that the young folk coming through schools and colleges now and in future won’t have the same freedoms we all had to move around and experience different cultures
He’s a clown, which he wants people to believe but really he’s not a clown which is a plan for people to believe but he’s bluffing because really he is a clown. 4d chess
He's the epitome of “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
Mark Francois back on TV, weird timing....
Q: I bring trucks into the UK bringing in goods from Europe. Brexit is going to be hugely disruptive.
Starmer says he hopes next year will not be as disruptive as the caller fears. That is why a deal is so important, he says. He says he understands how important it is for goods to arrive in the country on time. Just-in-time manufacturing processes rely on this, he says.
Just saw the above about Starmer's radio phone-in this morning.
No wonder Starmer was such a prat with his unicorn policy. He is clueless.
Starmer says he hopes next year will not be as disruptive as the caller fears. That is why a deal is so important, he says. He says he understands how important it is for goods to arrive in the country on time. Just-in-time manufacturing processes rely on this, he says.
Just saw the above about Starmer's radio phone-in this morning.
No wonder Starmer was such a prat with his unicorn policy. He is clueless.
Sorry in my response I believed you were referring to the UK's supposed loss of power and influence globally, because we had left the EU.
Clearly we will have less influence (probably none at all) inside a club we've just left; unless that is the EU gives us a contract to write their rules for them. Also don't all EU regulations have to be passed through UK law anyway to ensure they can operate within our own domestic system?
What is that 98% expressed as a proportion of the overall total regulations adopted in the EEA/EU since we joined, any ideas?
Wasn't that for scientific research , not funding for direct /applied science applications?
Absolutely. I grew up in the Netherlands and moved around a fair bit in Europe in my 20s. (Mostly as a student, so not the same situation; although I also did start from scratch in Canada.) It's unbelievable that this is happening and in the current day and age. Anyway, that discussion's been had plenty. Good luck with your eventual move and new life!
I don't care enough to find out the answers to those questions sorry. Suffice to say we did punch above our weight ref decision making in a lot of things in the EU and what we paid in monetarily was cheap at the price. Cost of Brexit is c.£200bn so far by contrast. Benefits - minor? None?
Maybe I'm misreading you but I believe that you made a small mistake. The UK have voted in favor of 95% of EU laws between 1999 and 2016, abstained 3% of the time and opposed to them 2% of the time. Meaning that the UK were in favor or not opposed to EU laws 98% of the time.
Correct. Although anyone would have expected EU agencies and services to move away in case of a Brexit; that speaks for itself. The science bit, however, is another one of those under-the-radar things that are not considered enough. UK scientists have been sounding the alarm about Brexit ever since the referendum was announced. There will be less money to go around for them, as well as downstream consequences when scientific productivity is lowered and hence also its economic impacts. Also, that plus the whole situation might make the UK less attractive for scientists and students looking to work or study abroad.
I'll never get why anyone would think that sovereignty is worth everything else.
In my opinion, people with very little who don't have much good going on cling to national identity and pride as a source of something positive. For them, being British, a major player on the world stage and supposedly not under the boot of Brussels will make their lives better.
Maybe that's an oversimplification but it's what they've been fed.
All the details on what the UK-EU Joint Committee has agreed regarding NI from 1st Jan:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/northern-ireland-protocol-joint-committee
The Trusted Trader Scheme seems like a good solution to avoid the need for checks and tariffs on most goods moving from GB to NI.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/northern-ireland-protocol-joint-committee
The Trusted Trader Scheme seems like a good solution to avoid the need for checks and tariffs on most goods moving from GB to NI.
Whatever happens, rather poor & free than rich & suppressed. And then apply that to a UK without or within the EU. Yeah, propaganda is a nasty thing.
Mainly rude limericks and thoughts of shagging the blond in the parliamentary cafeteria I'd wager.
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Of course you don't!
Sorry, I don't follow what you're getting at.
As someone working for a UK import/distributer with customers in various EU countries, all I can say is that this is going to be a shitshow, a massive, massive shitshow!
Your a step ahead of me at least. I'll never get why anyone would think leaving the EU gains them sovereignty.
Do not think that is necessarily true, but yes, indeed, there are people in every nation who do have a higher sense of being part of a collective.
Very much the same mental mechanism that makes us football fans tick in a certain way.
I think that at some point people mixed sovereignty and independence. Because when people talk about sovereignty they seem to often talk about the ability to do things on your own, your own way. Ironically in a subject that has been recently the actuality, the UK aren't independent when it comes military supplies in particular regarding nuclear warheads, they rely on the US for that while France for example are independent. The irony being that in the media one of the argument in favor of brexit was military independence and fear of a EU army.
This reminds me very much of '1984'.
Cometh 2021 and we will hear "The EU did want a trade deal, but we declined."
Later in 2021, "There never have been any trade deal discussions, it was all about the withdrawal agreement."
2022, "We were never part of the EU, because we did not had the Euro."
2023, "The EU is and always has been an enemy of the British people."
2024, "We are here where we we are because we won the fight against the EU..... that is what ultimately matter, and nothing else."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/kent-lorry-park-to-miss-brexit-day-deadline
Kent lorry park will not be ready for Brexit day after heavy rain
Weather has hampered work on site intended to relieve queues around Dover from 1 January
Kent lorry park will not be ready for Brexit day after heavy rain
Weather has hampered work on site intended to relieve queues around Dover from 1 January
rain... in England ... In the autumn ... im shocked!... this couldn't possibly have been foreseen ... Macron must have a weather machine... lets nuke france
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew,
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four—
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
Ha, wonderful! I did not know that poem, but I looked it up now. (Kipling - here is a link for other barbarians like me.)
I had myself been thinking of Bad Religion's Let Them Eat War (not quite on the same level, I know):
"Let them eat war, let them eat war
That's how to ration the poor
Let them eat war, let them eat war
There's an urgent need to feed declining pride"
(full lyrics)