I really think that it's a narrative built around the CANZUK idea, it's not much about the fact that "No deal" sounds terrible but that they are actively targeting a certain demographic and selling the dream of an Anglosphere led by the UK.
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I really think that it's a narrative built around the CANZUK idea, it's not much about the fact that "No deal" sounds terrible but that they are actively targeting a certain demographic and selling the dream of an Anglosphere led by the UK.
I can't believe Boris Johnson, who has been in the public eye for over 2 decades and who only last year prorogued parliament which was deemed unlawful by the Supreme Court, is the way he is. How many times have you seen our free press and media factcheck his claims and lies during and after the election? Too many people got their wallet inspected
It's really frustrating that all this blatant lying has no consequences whatsoever (for the liars I mean, plenty of consequences for the lied to though).
As in Empire 2.0? Surely no-one will fall for that
We won the war, dammit!
Let me guess, he’s the kind of person that would go around calling people ‘snowflakes’ and moaning people get offended too easily?
Tell your mate Boris to send his begging letter by fax from the trenches, ps our fax is out of order. DDG says hi!
Probably thinks he is very smort for that pun he made.
We are we wasting our time then?
Poll latest.... "No deal" vote growing almost 60%... reality at last, even on the Caf!
“It’s great news that we can’t negotiate a deal after two years of trying because it gives us the freedom to... negotiate a deal... only now we’ll be haemorrhaging cash throughout the negotiations because of our previous inability to negotiate a deal...”
Is there anyone in the UK thick enough to buy this horseshit?
Is there anyone in the UK thick enough to buy this horseshit?
Still convinced they will fudge something.
When I go into any ancient CofE church, I always mentally claim it back for the Catholics.
I read that as "use leavers to wipe" - now there's an idea.
Like itErrr..
This says it all, really. It's heartbreaking. I'm old enough to remember when we weren't in the EU, and as a teenager I was a campaigner during the run-up to the 1975 Referendum. It's been wonderful to be part of Europe and I can't believe we're just walking away with nothing.
Genuinely heartbreaking. I don't get as upset about politics (certainly not British politics) as I used to but Brexit was genuinely a hammerblow to me.
Not even for the economic effects, from which I imagine me and my family will be better shielded than the majority of this country. But about the lost opportunities for the next generation. What it says about the mentality of many living in this country and the realisation that they have such a diametrically opposite worldview. I really feel far more in tune with friends and colleagues from across the continent than I do with many Brits who voted this way. And I still find it difficult to reconcile these differences when talking to them.
I try not to think about it as much now but occasionally I'll see Johnson/IDS/Gove/Patel open their mouths or see a tweet like the above or this video and it feels like a punch in the stomach.
Right, hadn't thought of that aspect. They're not talking about a Brazil-type deal, of course. (Saying this on the risk that there's actually some kind of deal in place with Brazil...)
Well, if the UK falls into a deep hole due to conditions imposed by the no-deal situation, it might be a lot easier to make UK stakeholders compromise to EU wishes and negotiate a deal!
Agree completely. The economic impact is a major factor, but the last four years have really shattered any illusions, or even hope, about the country moving to a more progressive footing.
Add in the lying, Covid response, willingness to break international treaties, Windrush, Grenfell etc...and it's depressing.
Yet still we're barraged from birth with notions of 'British decency or 'values', but there are none. We've even sold off all of our key strategic infrastructure for a quick buck. Nothing is valued.
Read something about Royal Navy boats being deployed to protect our fishing waters from Jan 1.
Phwoar, can't wait, it'll be like the good old days. Johnny Kraut getting destroyed while we're starving and have no electric
Phwoar, can't wait, it'll be like the good old days. Johnny Kraut getting destroyed while we're starving and have no electric
From an outside perspective, it's utterly baffling that after 4 years of Brexit shambles the Conservatives are still in power, and seemingly as powerful as ever. It beggars belief.
A bunch of morons keep voting for them who get very offended when you call them morons so prove how not moronic they are by voting for them to spite the people who called them morons.
And they've got just under 5 years to sweep the mess under the rug.
Labour have been a shambles too and probably will be in 5 years time.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say that, despite the grandstanding on both sides, there will be a deal
If only we had Woody negotiating
Is there a grandstanding on both sides though? From France brexit barely makes the news and I'm under the impression that it's the same everywhere else, the grandstanding is only done by BJ.
This remains my view, though very possible I'm giving the government too much credit.
Not really sure about the European media, just the quotes attributed to Europeans in the British media. The way I see it is that both sides are engaging in brinksmanship, telling their respective followings that the talks are breaking down and to prepare for no deal but really we’ll end up with a deal of some sorts with both sides claiming ‘victory’ in the negotiations
It's usually at the forefront of news here in Ireland but I guess that's understandable given the severe implications to it here also, that said nobody really talks about it anymore and is a bit fed up of the whole thing at this stage, I think we've just accepted now that's it's going to be a shitstorm we need to deal with.
That message doesn't exists around here at the moment, it was done a year ago, plans were made for that outcome and it hasn't been mentioned since.
For you there is the borders talks but do you have any sort of grandstanding?
Still expect a deal tbh, but it will be favourable to the EU
No I don't think so, aside from Covid it's arguably the biggest crisis affecting us so it makes sense that it's so highlighted in the news. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your question though..
It was all quite misleading, but isn't Boris correct in what he's saying?
He is only correct if you understood that the oven ready deal was the withdrawal agreement that May agreed on in 2018.
These people have no regard for us.