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[Paul the Wolf]

Hard brexit at the end of the year then... expect to see the next three months full of cake and eat it and arguments about fish as frank mansour wraps himself in the flag and explodes with bile on a regular basis

Think this was always inevitable. All the rubbish over the past three or four years from both Tories and Labour suggesting all kinds of mental gymnastics and impossibilities. Unless the UK stay as they are regarding standards and many other things a hard border/Brexit was inevitable if they are outside the single market and customs union. If they stayed in the single market and customs union , Brexit was pointless.

This time next year fantasy should be starting to meet harsh reality head on.

 

[Penna]

had to scroll back to see what the background was to you posting this.

In Italy they have Capitan Findus, who looks suspiciously like Captain Birds Eye.

 

[JPRouve]

In Italy they have Capitan Findus, who looks suspiciously like Captain Birds Eye.

And Capitaine Iglo in France.

 

[horsechoker]

In Italy they have Capitan Findus, who looks suspiciously like Captain Birds Eye.

And Capitaine Iglo in France.

Typical, backed Brexit now he's swanning about his villas on the Amalfi Coast and Monaco.

 

[JPRouve]

Typical, backed Brexit now he's swanning about his villas on the Amalfi Coast and Monaco.

He also has a german passport.

 

[horsechoker]

He also has a german passport.

He's worse than Farage!

 

[Smores]

Makes me laugh when people still use fishing as one of their main reasons for voting Brexit. Since when does the world revolve around fishermen? It's not all about making them happy. Think about yourself, your family, your friends, and your local community before you think about how fishermen will benefit ffs.

The opposition to fishing quotas is merely symbolic, it's an example of 'them' telling us what to do. The principle belief of the hardcore daily mail type brexiteer is that they can't do or say what they want anymore so push back against anything that constrains them or 'us'.

I've yet to figure out what the motivations are for the mythical 'reasonable brexiteers' though, despite several brexiteers on here claiming they're the reasonable kind.

 

[Maticmaker]

Since when does the world revolve around fishermen?

Every country in the world that has a coast line or an inland sea able to support fishing cares about Fishing and the men and women who brave the sea to bring home the seafood, and whom for some its their staple diet... ask the Netherlands, French and Spanish fishermen how important it is!

 

[Mr Pigeon]

When asked by the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg whether he accepted that leaving the EU with no comprehensive trade deal could have significant cost for jobs and businesses, Mr Johnson replied: "We've got a deal, it's a great deal, we're out

He's becoming more and more like Trump as each day passes. Censoring press, banning journalists and avoiding scrutiny, "great deal" which I bet will eventually becoming "greatest deal in history". It's like combining Zippy, Bungle and George into one human shaped wedge of Play-Doh, having witches chant the same incantation over and over until it becomes sentient, and then topping it off with a strand of Donald's hair in order to give it a personality.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I want to know if Brexiters are keen on traditional fish and chips being made with battered herring and mackerel caught in British waters instead of cod.

 

[Hammerfell]

Every country in the world that has a coast line or an inland sea able to support fishing cares about Fishing and the men and women who brave the sea to bring home the seafood, and whom for some its their staple diet... ask the Netherlands, French and Spanish fishermen how important it is!

You’re just a parody at this point.

 

[Maticmaker]

You’re just a parody at this point.

Strawman!

 

[Striker10]

Time will tell. Many people harbour bias so lets see how it goes. Cause hindsights important.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Time will tell. Many people harbour bias so lets see how it goes. Cause hindsights important.

Is this a fishing pun?

 

[Mr Pigeon]

I want to know if Brexiters are keen on traditional fish and chips being made with battered herring and mackerel caught in British waters instead of cod.

They can keep their hands off my haddock as well.

 

[esmufc07]

 

[Full bodied red]

Can I suggest that you search around the various aviation sites on the web to see why Ryanair insist on EU passports.

Absolutely, positively, definitely one of the very worst employers in the whole of Europe.

 

[VeevaVee]

Every country in the world that has a coast line or an inland sea able to support fishing cares about Fishing and the men and women who brave the sea to bring home the seafood, and whom for some its their staple diet... ask the Netherlands, French and Spanish fishermen how important it is!

Majority of people barely eat any fish anyway. It being brave is meaningless when there are millions more people potentially being negatively affected.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

So this happened in my town over the weekend...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...posters-ipswich-removed-council-a9316216.html

 

[golden_blunder]

I want to know if Brexiters are keen on traditional fish and chips being made with battered herring and mackerel caught in British waters instead of cod.

Considering how they swallow down bullshit I doubt many of them could taste the difference

 

[Smores]

Can I suggest that you search around the various aviation sites on the web to see why Ryanair insist on EU passports.

Absolutely, positively, definitely one of the very worst employers in the whole of Europe.

It isn't just Ryanair that this applies to, there's been plenty of stories from recruiters that demonstrate a preference for those with EU passports. That really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone though!

 

[Maticmaker]

Majority of people barely eat any fish anyway

Really!
According to google:
Seafood is the largest traded food commodity in the world.
100 million tonnes of fish eaten world wide per year.
Provides 2.5 billion people world wide with at least 20percent of their average per capita animal protein intake
Many of the worlds poorest people dependent on fish
( source quoted June 2005 Rome EU Science Hub)

 

[VeevaVee]

Really!
According to google:
Seafood is the largest traded food commodity in the world.
100 million tonnes of fish eaten world wide per year.
Provides 2.5 billion people world wide with at least 20percent of their average per capita animal protein intake
Many of the worlds poorest people dependent on fish
( source quoted June 2005 Rome EU Science Hub)

Not sure what worldwide consumption has to do with it.

Regardless, it's not the point. Supposedly voting to possibly help a small amount while millions of others are affected negatively is stupid, is the point.

 

[Maticmaker]

Supposedly voting to possibly help a small amount while millions of others are affected negatively is stupid

Not if you are part of the small amount. There was always going to be winners and losers within Brexit, the fishing industry lost out last time and will be looking to claw something back.

These fishing quotas represent a massive positive for the UK in its forthcoming negotiations with the EU and the maximum benefit has to be accrued from any final settlement, not just in amounts but in for how long the quotas last. UK fishermen and those onshore interests associated with the industry will be keeping an eye on all this.

 

[VeevaVee]

Not if you are part of the small amount. There was always going to be winners and losers within Brexit, the fishing industry lost out last time and will be looking to claw something back.

These fishing quotas represent a massive positive for the UK in its forthcoming negotiations with the EU and the maximum benefit has to be accrued from any final settlement, not just in amounts but in for how long the quotas last. UK fishermen and those onshore interests associated with the industry will be keeping an eye on all this.

But they're not part of the small amount. That's the point.

Why are people hundreds of miles from shore supposedly concerned about fishermen possibly getting paid a bit more (which is all this really amounts to) when everyone else will most likely end up negatively affected financially?

The answer is they aren't. They're just looking to justify their stupid vote.

 

[JPRouve]

Not if you are part of the small amount. There was always going to be winners and losers within Brexit, the fishing industry lost out last time and will be looking to claw something back.

These fishing quotas represent a massive positive for the UK in its forthcoming negotiations with the EU and the maximum benefit has to be accrued from any final settlement, not just in amounts but in for how long the quotas last. UK fishermen and those onshore interests associated with the industry will be keeping an eye on all this.

I will never follow this. The UK fishing industry is controlled by a minority who sold their quotas to foreign fishermen but some blame the EU. Also has @Paul the Wolf suggested, what you guys consume the most is cod which doesn't come from your waters and barely comes from the rest of the EU too, it's mainly from Iceland, China and Russia.

 

[Full bodied red]

It isn't just Ryanair that this applies to, there's been plenty of stories from recruiters that demonstrate a preference for those with EU passports. That really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone though!

Of course not....And certainly not in the case of Ryanair who have a habit of employing you in, say, Manchester and two weeks later sending you to live and work in, say Bucharest whether you want to go there or not. You won't go ? Then it's bye-bye.

Hence their need for the EU Residence or Work Permit. So in other words, the requirement basically excludes UK passport holders unless, like myself, they already have Residency Approval in an EU country although that may change - I've no idea.

Probably this sort of stuff will become more frequent and, let's face it, reciprocal until the politicos sort out something better than exists since last week.

On the other hand, how will the UK courts react if, say, British Airways or SportsDirect post ads for jobs for those ' who have the right to live and work in the UK ' only.

No doubt some smart arse Human Rights Lawyers are already waiting with baited breath for the chance to sue BA and / or SportsDirect for Discrimination.

 

[Maticmaker]

But they're not part of the small amount. That's the point.

The fishing industry is- that's the point!

Why are people hundreds of miles from shore supposedly concerned about fishermen possibly getting paid a bit more (which is all this really amounts to) when everyone else will most likely end up negatively affected financially?

This is just nonsense, there is a trade off and fishing quotas are prized highly in certain EU countries and will be used as 'bargaining chips'.

The answer is they aren't. They're just looking to justify their stupid vote.

Who is looking to justify their vote, in the referendum, in the latest GE, what on earth are you talking about??

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Not if you are part of the small amount. There was always going to be winners and losers within Brexit, the fishing industry lost out last time and will be looking to claw something back.

These fishing quotas represent a massive positive for the UK in its forthcoming negotiations with the EU and the maximum benefit has to be accrued from any final settlement, not just in amounts but in for how long the quotas last. UK fishermen and those onshore interests associated with the industry will be keeping an eye on all this.

What fish?

Only Iceland and Norway have any healthy population of fish left due to them having learned from previous years of overfishing.

Most countries in the EU have overfished for decades. And despite the new "overfishing" regulations from the EU this year, which by the way are far below what most scientists say are sustainable quotas, Britain will most likely have even less sustainable quotas.

 

[Maticmaker]

The UK fishing industry is controlled by a minority who sold their quotas to foreign fishermen but some blame the EU

Some of the fishing quotas were sold to foreign fishermen, those and those that didn't sell both blamed the UK government for agreeing to the EU quota system. They feel they were sold out and fear it will happen again.

what you guys consume the most is cod which doesn't come from your waters and barely comes from the rest of the EU too, it's mainly from Iceland, China and Russia.

True, that's why the UK needs independent trade agreements, i.e. that suit the needs of a cod loving nation, with those countries that supply it

 

[JPRouve]

Some of the fishing quotas were sold to foreign fishermen, those and those that didn't sell both blamed the UK government for agreeing to the EU quota system. They feel they were sold out and fear it will happen again.



True, that's why the UK needs independent trade agreements, i.e. that suit the needs of a cod loving nation, with those countries that supply it

So basically, the EU have little to do with the point that you tried to make. You do realize that the fishing industry lobby in the UK will have more influence on the UK alone, then they would on the EU and they are the one who made a fortune selling their quotas, the smaller fishermen who feel that they got sold out aren't gaining any more influence, they just put themselves in a situation they are alone with the ones that shafted them in the first place.

I wish them good luck and hopefully british politicians won't be influenced by the richer and larger side.

Here you have an interesting article and I highlight this fun fact.

One of the flagships of the “Brexit flotilla” – which sailed up the Thames in 2016 to demand the UK’s exit from the EU – is among the UK’s 10 biggest quota-holders

 

[VeevaVee]

Who is looking to justify their vote, in the referendum, in the latest GE, what on earth are you talking about??

We're in the Brexit thread mate, keep up. And the people near me who use this as a reason, who I was talking about to begin with.

This is just nonsense, there is a trade off and fishing quotas are prized highly in certain EU countries and will be used as 'bargaining chips'.

Again, why should I be interested in this? Yes, I want to keep people in jobs, but should them possibly being given more freedom take priority over everyone else being worse off (which is the choice these people, the people who I am talking about who have given that as a reason for their vote, have made)? Nah.

If it was a vote purely to help them, all for it. A vote that might help them but will negatively effect everyone else? Seems like a bad reason.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

I will never follow this. The UK fishing industry is controlled by a minority who sold their quotas to foreign fishermen but some blame the EU. Also has @Paul the Wolf suggested, what you guys consume the most is cod which doesn't come from your waters and barely comes from the rest of the EU too, it's mainly from Iceland, China and Russia.

The EU fishermen take a 5-1 ratio of fish from UK waters compared to UK from EU waters.

That was 30,000 jobs from Grimsby and Hull alone lost following the UK entering the common fishing policy. Of course the UK wants redress after we leave the EU.

While I accept it is complicated and gets boiled down to simplistic jingoistic nonsense I really think its a bit rich lecturing other countries on this if you are from France.

 

[Drifter]

Jonathan Pie's HARD BREXIT

 

[JPRouve]

The EU fishermen take a 5-1 ratio of fish from UK waters compared to UK from EU waters.

That was 30,000 jobs from Grimsby and Hull alone lost following the UK entering the common fishing policy. Of course the UK wants redress after we leave the EU.

While I accept it is complicated and gets boiled down to simplistic jingoistic nonsense I really think its a bit rich lecturing other countries on this if you are from France.

I'm not lecturing the UK and there isn't a moment where I would pretend that France is any better, the difference is that I blame my country and my countrymen, I don't blame the UK or the EU for our own actions.

Edit: And I will tell you the same thing, small french fishermen better not have the stupidity to put themselves alone against the big french fishing firms, they are already bent over and will get worse.

 

[Red Dreams]

Jonathan Pie's HARD BREXIT

brilliant

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

brilliant

most people won't get it!

 

[RedChip]

On the other hand, how will the UK courts react if, say, British Airways or SportsDirect post ads for jobs for those ' who have the right to live and work in the UK ' only.

No doubt some smart arse Human Rights Lawyers are already waiting with baited breath for the chance to sue BA and / or SportsDirect for Discrimination.

I'm not sure what your point is. I thought that is what employers have to do under the law, i.e. employ only those that have the right to work and live in the UK?

 

[Smores]

Of course not....And certainly not in the case of Ryanair who have a habit of employing you in, say, Manchester and two weeks later sending you to live and work in, say Bucharest whether you want to go there or not. You won't go ? Then it's bye-bye.

Hence their need for the EU Residence or Work Permit. So in other words, the requirement basically excludes UK passport holders unless, like myself, they already have Residency Approval in an EU country although that may change - I've no idea.

Probably this sort of stuff will become more frequent and, let's face it, reciprocal until the politicos sort out something better than exists since last week.

On the other hand, how will the UK courts react if, say, British Airways or SportsDirect post ads for jobs for those ' who have the right to live and work in the UK ' only.

No doubt some smart arse Human Rights Lawyers are already waiting with baited breath for the chance to sue BA and / or SportsDirect for Discrimination.

See what you've done there is describe actual discrimination and then compare that to justifiable job requirements.

I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're being purposefully frivolous

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Are people really suggesting that a requirement to prove you can live where your potential job will need you to be situated, if you are the successful applicant, is somehow a snub to BREXIT ?