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Ah the old anti irish stuff is making a come back it seems.


Like I said earlier,xenophobia sh*te like this wont take long to seed its way back into our society in vast numbers.

Expecting to hear/read reports around the country now of people telling various minorities to 'go back to their own country'.
 
Replying to this rather than your post in the other thread.

Goodwin’s views are not a hot take, he’s been predicting and charting the collapse of social democracy in the West for 15 years. Trump, Brexit and the general election 2019 are manifestations of the growing political undercurrents that he's been describing throughout that time. They are incidental and not defining. I get the feeling that you still think this is fundamentally an economic argument drawn along the traditional political lines in the UK. Goodwin and Kaufman both argue that this is missing the point completely. That it’s rather about cultural displacement of the majority, specifically in working class areas. They both argue that these concerns have to be appreciated legitimately and addressed, not mocked or shouted down with accusations of xenophobia or racism etc. Kaufman argued that the way to manage the issue would be to offer policies that reassure the culturally displaced factions that the rate of demographic change can be better controlled or slowed down so their place in the world will not be taken over by globalisation. Brexit and the Tory manifesto 2019 offered this so through Brexit they will be getting exactly what they voted for - ‘taking back control’ over immigration specifically.

I‘d recommend watching the videos I posted because I do believe that what they have to say is important for the left going forward, if they ever want to get into power that is.
How? What are those policies?

It's incredibly difficult to offer any sort of policy to address FEELINGS. Because, quite obviously, white British people have not been "culturally displaced". They just feel like they have. Now you can tell those nasty Polish people to go home - and then what?

Maybe temporarily some people will be happier. And then when they realise that the UK is still not a utopia, they'll blame the remaining immigrants, regardless of whether they're EU nationals or not. I mean, the whole "immigrants will destroy our culture" stuff works very well even in countries like Hungary, where no one in their right mind wants to go to - really, the problem is losing people at an alarming rate, as opposed to immigration - so actually sending the dirty people away will not help one bit. Because, once again, there are no effective policies for feelings.
 
Watching BBC's countdown to Brexit videos.
The people giving interviews.
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How? What are those policies?

It's incredibly difficult to offer any sort of policy to address FEELINGS. Because, quite obviously, white British people have not been "culturally displaced". They just feel like they have. Now you can tell those nasty Polish people to go home - and then what?

Maybe temporarily some people will be happier. And then when they realise that the UK is still not a utopia, they'll blame the remaining immigrants, regardless of whether they're EU nationals or not. I mean, the whole "immigrants will destroy our culture" stuff works very well even in countries like Hungary, where no one in their right mind wants to go to - really, the problem is losing people at an alarming rate, as opposed to immigration - so actually sending the dirty people away will not help one bit. Because, once again, there are no effective policies for feelings.

It’s literally just happened....Brexit, points based immigration system?

Going back there were numerous things the government could have done but generally they just played lip service to it. I believe after the Eastern European nations joined nations were able to limit immigration from those countries for a number of years, Germany did this among others, for example.

Their studies show that broadly speaking the communities that you’re talking about and the UK at large are not the foaming at the mouth racists you seem so desperate to believe they are, that they are not against immigration in a blanket sense, just the pace and scale of it since 2000 or so.

Why do you think Labour when from pulling off the greatest defeat in history in 2017 to nearly being completely destroyed as a party in 2019, what changed?

I recommend watching their videos and Goodwin’s on why Labour lost the election. I do think they’re pertinent if Labour want to get in power anytime soon. The Tories are accepting of the dynamics they describe and are shaping policy around it. It’s why Boris has the biggest majority since the days of Blair and the Tories are placed to destroy the Labour Party for good in the next election.
 
Why do you think Labour when from pulling off the greatest defeat in history in 2017 to nearly being completely destroyed as a party in 2019, what changed?

Well the conservatives changed their leader from a technocratic malfunctioning maybot to a populist whose personal appeal allowed some who wouldn't usually vote conservative to do so.

Corbyn entered the election as the most unpopular leader of the opposition in recorded history with people having had several years to make up their mind about him as opposed to 2017 when he was relatively unknown

The conservatives didn't score any massive own goals such as the dementia tax

Labour did score own goals this time with uncosted pledges such as the waspi one and a manifesto in 2017 that polled well to a 2019 one which was seen as overload and unachievable

I mean it's not as is labours vote went up in pro immigration / remain constituiences... It was down pretty much everywhere because of Corbyn being seen as an unpopular antisemitic and incompetent leader backed by an unbelievable manifesto
 
Well the conservatives changed their leader from a technocratic malfunctioning maybot to a populist whose personal appeal allowed some who wouldn't usually vote conservative to do so.

Corbyn entered the election as the most unpopular leader of the opposition in recorded history with people having had several years to make up their mind about him as opposed to 2017 when he was relatively unknown

The conservatives didn't score any massive own goals such as the dementia tax

Labour did score own goals this time with uncosted pledges such as the waspi one and a manifesto in 2017 that polled well to a 2019 one which was seen as overload and unachievable

I mean it's not as is labours vote went up in pro immigration / remain constituiences... It was down pretty much everywhere because of Corbyn being seen as an unpopular antisemitic and incompetent leader backed by an unbelievable manifesto

I might have agreed with you a little while back but after listening to the two academics (I keep mentioning) and realising that the Tories are capitalising on everything they've been predicting I have come to a different conclusion. Labour did relatively well in 2017 because they backed Brexit and ending FoM whilst going up against a terrible leader after 8 years of Tory austerity etc. In 2019 they abandoned Brexit in any meaningful sense and ending FoM as a by-product of that whilst at the same time the membership were actually voting to extend FoM! The wider electorate came to realise the wider ideological makeup of the party whilst they were not offering the key thing that they voted for in 2017.



My thinking is now that I'm going to vote for Nandy in the leadership election. I read that she's the only candidate the Tories fear because she understands the dynamics I'm talking about and has the right track record around them. RLB and Starmer both represent the two Labour eras that have destroyed Labours traditional base in my opinion and make them unelectable in the UK currently.
 
After all the doom and gloom that the supposed experts kept chanting about I didn't notice anything different this morning when I woke up in Brexit Britain. My alarm clock woke me up as it always does, my crumpets tasted the same, Mrs Harris next door was watering her vegetables as normal, Larry and Dave the plumbers were gossiping under Mrs Harris about how this meant the British Empire would rise once again, the fellow down the road (don't know his name but we all call him Simon as it sounds nicer than his real name) was handed his notice to feck off back where he came from (he says Dumfries but not with that skin, he isn't), Mr and Mrs Tildsley proudly displayed their Orange March banner in their front garden, and finally now that he doesn't care about what the snowflakes think as he feels validated by the government Ol' Paedo Pete started to erect his big fiery cross on his porch overlooking the nursery. I got a good look at it as they all chased after me telling me to feck off back where I came from.
 
Alan Pardew just said he's a remainer in his post match interview at Ado Den Haag.

I also just learned that English clubs can no longer poach players younger than 18 after the transition period. So Im now an ardent supporter of you lot having fecked off.
 
Well done Britain, you've royally fecked yourself.

It's incredible to see what the US and Britain both have managed to get themselves into these last 3-4 years. It's not like they were all wonderful before (drone strikes and invasions and foreclosures and increasing inequality and that sort of thing), but even so this seemed like a rather sharp turn to madness. Sometimes I have to sit down and just try to get to grips with the fact that Donald Trump and Boris Johnson lead their respective countries. It's absolutely bonkers. Theresa May wasn't amazing, nor was David Cameron, and Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio would have been problematic all on their own, but this is in another league entirely.

I think the only way the UK could make it worse is if they somehow made Nigel Farage PM. And I really hope I didn't just somehow speak that into existence.
 
My grandfather fought at the allies side during WW2. Malta being close to Italy he saw the rise and fall of fascism there and how most italians suddenly switched from huge fascist fans who thought that the country was at the cusp of building the second Roman empire into avid partigiani fans. Its amazing how no Italian I've met would state that his grandfather was a Mussolini sympathiser even though there was a time when most Italians were indeed fascists. Its strange how these children of 'partigiani' are so keen in putting Salvini in government. At least Mussolini loved all Italians although he loved himself more.

Anyway if Brexit goes tits up then rest assured that the same will happen. Most British will denounce ever supporting Brexit and will claim that they were pro EU all along.

After they are done blaming the EU and immigrants of course.

In fact, I highly doubt a lot of them will ever actually admit it was the wrong vote enough to even hide no matter how bad it gets.
 
Was just about to post that. Some really think that leaving the EU gives them the freedom to release that pent up racism.
 

We've been (un)reliably informed over the past four years that British people are not racist or xenophobic at all and it's only anecdotal. After 17 million anecdotal incidents will they finally admit it.

Other questions: if the person or persons they are targetting do not speak english they won't understand the above. Will tourists be allowed to visit the UK if they can't speak english?

Ought to tell the person who wrote it to have spelling and grammar lessons as well.
 
Johnson and his cabinet, with the right-wing press cheering on, are talking tough on the upcoming talks. It is almost is if he masterfully maneuvered the EU to get the WA. How quickly they forget that, in fact, he yielded to the EU demands to get it over the line. What do they think is the incentive for the EU to give in this time? Now that we have left, I expect the 27 to be even less flexible to protect their interests, even the previously sympathetic countries.

I think Sloganism is finally going to collide with reality.
 
Well the conservatives changed their leader from a technocratic malfunctioning maybot to a populist whose personal appeal allowed some who wouldn't usually vote conservative to do so.

Corbyn entered the election as the most unpopular leader of the opposition in recorded history with people having had several years to make up their mind about him as opposed to 2017 when he was relatively unknown

The conservatives didn't score any massive own goals such as the dementia tax

Labour did score own goals this time with uncosted pledges such as the waspi one and a manifesto in 2017 that polled well to a 2019 one which was seen as overload and unachievable

I mean it's not as is labours vote went up in pro immigration / remain constituiences... It was down pretty much everywhere because of Corbyn being seen as an unpopular antisemitic and incompetent leader backed by an unbelievable manifesto

Spot on, as usual.
Labour election was a complete disaster all of their own making.

They may as well have said to the electorate - don't vote for us because we have an unelectable leader and are making policy on the hoof.
 
We've been (un)reliably informed over the past four years that British people are not racist or xenophobic at all and it's only anecdotal. After 17 million anecdotal incidents will they finally admit it.

Other questions: if the person or persons they are targetting do not speak english they won't understand the above. Will tourists be allowed to visit the UK if they can't speak english?

Ought to tell the person who wrote it to have spelling and grammar lessons as well.

Let's not forget it was reported straight away and rightfully a big deal has been made of it.

I mean if this proves we have a huge racism problem, what does the fact it was dealt with by the first person who saw them say?
 
Let's not forget it was reported straight away and rightfully a big deal has been made of it.

I mean if this proves we have a huge racism problem, what does the fact it was dealt with by the first person who saw them say?

Yes but there are 64 million people in the UK not 17m.
Of course, if it wasn't the case, you would think by now that a large proportion of those 17 million could give a coherent reason for their actions. Not very forthcoming outside complete drivel.
 
Yes but there are 64 million people in the UK not 17m.
Of course, if it wasn't the case, you would think by now that a large proportion of those 17 million could give a coherent reason for their actions. Not very forthcoming outside complete drivel.


I'm sure you don't mean that there are 17 million racists in the UK, let alone 64 million racists.

Do you ??
 
Yes but there are 64 million people in the UK not 17m.
Of course, if it wasn't the case, you would think by now that a large proportion of those 17 million could give a coherent reason for their actions. Not very forthcoming outside complete drivel.

Nevertheless, it's good these incidents are being highlighted and taken care of. That's a good sign the majority will stand up and do something when needed.
 
I'm sure you don't mean that there are 17 million racists in the UK, let alone 64 million racists.

Do you ??

I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It's that kind of thinking though that has helped get us in this mess and further entrenched people, that everyone of those 17m are racist or without reason.