Ah I see we're back to effectively calling Brits racist again, while pretending the rest of the continent are a group of kumbaya singing hippies with no racism or increasing nationalism.
Helpful going forwards.
Helpful going forwards.
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Paul and I go back a long way and I think ( at least I hope ) we can agree to disagree without rancour.
It's just that that's how it read to me, and I don't think that's what he meant.
The great unanswered question is why the blind eye to the double standards of the EU from some on here.
Can any non-EU citizen from outside the EU emigrate to freely live inside the EU.
I don't think so - in fact I know they can't.
Yet when the UK says that now outside the EU they'll apply the same rules to EU citizens as to those from outside the EU, and so the same as the EU currently does and always has done to non-EU citizens, well the UK are disgusting, racist xenophobes but the EU, apparently, isn't.
No I don't .
I also didn't say there weren't racists and xenophobes in the rest of Europe or the world.
How do you become more entrenched. Either you're racist and xenophobic or not - or will people become xenophobic if you falsely accuse them of being so.
I don't follow how the UK holding a referendum and voting to leave was caused by people accusing people of being racist or xenophobic.
The reason the UK are in this mess is because people are so gullible and ill-informed.
Who will tell Brexiteers that we have not really left yet .Not until the end of the year.
The thing is, I'm a remainer through and through. I love the EU and think we're far better off in than out. I was devastated after the vote and feel slightly less British than I did in 2015.
Having said that, what has happened has happened now and the views in this thread are often so unhelpful. Often some combination of wailing, gnashing of teeth, calling leavers racists and idiots and suggesting the UK will become some 3rd world banana republic.
Strange for that to be the focus, considering the rise of actual far right, racist parties in France, Germany, Austria, Greece, Italy, Spain, Hungary etc, just seems weird to me.
On top of this, I saw two things, from the two opposing sides on the day before, which should be how we approach this from now on, as much as I do not agree often with either:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...lair-says-uk-should-make-best-brexit-he-warns
So rather than being an ass because you side won. Or crying because your side lost. Try to see how Britain can make the best of this situation.
If it doesn't, I personally will be leaving, leaving behind the masses who ( I still believe) essentially were Turkeys voting for Christmas, at least in the short term. But no point constantly crying about it in the meantime.
(I appreciate this may not apply to many on this board, who are not British in the first place and therefore may not care either way what happens).
Just because a small majority of the electorate voted to leave the EU doesn't mean that they are all or even in part racists.
Yes those who read the DM could well hold some racist views.
But we must guard against such sweeping generalisations.
I certainly would say that the majority were somewhat gullible and bought the illusion that everything will get better when we leave.
But rather than racists I would say there is a degree of Nationalism. Something in common with many other countries.
agreed for the most part. I find it incredibly unhelpful when Farage compares remainders to flat earthers, for instance. Certain characters talk about “healing the divide” but I have yet to see any real evidence of this - not that I am really sure exactly what could be done, to be fair. But for now I would settle for just civility and a little bit of respect rather than the incessant gloating.
I wouldn't know anything about it
Yep, you get people like Rees Mogg and I am sure Johnson has probably referred to people like me as ‘remoaners’, and they are now reaching out and telling us to work together?
My sister voted leave, I still really have no idea why but we don't fall out about it. She volunteers extensively with community groups. She said to me the other day that where she lives (a big northern town with high levels of social and economic deprivation), many people feel abandoned by decision-makers in London and wanted to protest against that. Lots of them voted Tory recently to secure Brexit, because they think leaving the EU is the key to it all. These are folk who would have always been traditional Labour voters.
I said that I couldn't see how switching your vote to secure a right-wing Conservative government run by hedge-fund toffs would help improve deprivation in the north. The whole thing is inexplicable and all sense seems to have gone out the window.
I said that I couldn't see how switching your vote to secure a right-wing Conservative government run by hedge-fund toffs would help improve deprivation in the north. The whole thing is inexplicable and all sense seems to have gone out the window.
the weird thing about this argument is that... it's been the Conservatives that have been in power for the last decade. so their protest vote against the decision makers in London (the Conservatives) is to vote for the Conservatives. that makes sense.
at least in the US the whole 'protest vote for Trump' was against the Democrats, which was still ridiculous but is at least slighly more logical.
You have to be mentally impaired to think that doing that is acceptable.
You're absolutely right, it's illogical. People have short memories for some things.
It's a protest vote against cosmopolitanism and liberal values. The conservatives who have been in power for the last decade have been the more openly ''liberal'' tories like Cameron, since Boris has become PM he's being running an illiberal campaign - Prolonging Parliament, attacking judges, attacking liberal institutions like the BBC and putting forward nationalist sentiments. Similar to Trump, Boris's anti liberal views make him appear as a ''protest vote'', also the Labour party rightly defending both cosmopolitanism and liberalism adds more weight to the ''anti establishment'' credentials of the former eton boy.
The ''abandoned by decision-makers in London'' stuff isn't about economic ideas like austerity, the reasons old voters in post industrial towns dislike London isn't because of high living cost, gentrification, homelessness etc. Their dislike comes from the fact London is a divisive, multi cultural city with a muslim mayor and its inevitably where their children go off to find work and rarely come back.
The problem these post industry traditional labour voters have is they can't form and act as a class in their own interest(Big state intervention economic policy + far right social policy
) due to their relations to each other, their size and their role in the economy, so they have to be represented - enter Boris Johnston.None of this makes any sense whatsoever and is exactly the reason why a 2nd referendum was the correct course of action, rather than a 1 issue General Election.
All the recent noise from the govt is about how we dont need to follow EU rules anymore. Call me a cynic (I am), but I reckon I can guess the first EU rule that a bunch of self-serving millionaires/tax dodgers/expenses claimers/offshore investment fund types are wanting to get rid of ASAP.
So far it looks as if Johnson is trying to go for a Canada style deal (very deep sh!t for the UK) or an Australian style deal (extremely deep sh!t for the UK). As the brexiters cheer and celebrate - until this time next year anyway.
Pound sinks as Boris Johnson warns of hard Brexit
https://www.cityam.com/pound-sinks-as-boris-johnson-warns-of-hard-brexit/
https://www.cityam.com/pound-sinks-as-boris-johnson-warns-of-hard-brexit/
Not sure if you listened to his so called speach. More like a rambling diatribe about why Britain is so wonderful and world leading.
None of it made much sense at all.
But it was Boris so everything will be great, because Boris says so.
If l had made a speach like that I would have died of embarrassment.
Why is a Canada one bad? Because of checks?
I saw the text of it, it's a continuation of the same incoherent ramblings and chest thumping.
If he actually goes through with this the UK will have a real problem and it won't take long for Brexiters to start saying - "this isn't what we voted for".
That is one of the major problems. Hard border which seems to be the aim, must be under instructions from the hedge funders aiming to make a killing next January.
I'm selling tickets - pm me for availability and prices.
Thursday 31st Decemeber 2020 at 23.30 on Horseguards Parade.
Hedgefunders All Stars X1 who want the UK to leave the EU with a Hard Brexit for the benefit of themselves
versus
George Soros Supporters X1 who want the UK to cancel Brexit altogether for the benefit of themselves.
Winner takes all. Which one will it be ?
It's fine though because the EU will be blamed for his feck ups. And if that doesn't work then there's always the default Jimmy the benefit scum with his massive telly.
True but as they have taken back control and knew exactly what they voted for , whatever happens from here on in is entirely down to them even if the final outcome looks nothing remotely like what they thought it would.
Johnson's repeated mentions of 'parallel' trade negotiations with the US (and presumably other counties too) makes me wonder if he's planning some audacious scheme with the Americans whereby the proposed US tariffs on EU cars and other goods get implicitly linked to the EU concluding a trade deal with the UK and conceding some American demands. Basically trying to unofficially make it US and UK vs EU to even up the market sizes a bit in the negotiations.
We aren't that valuable. This "parallel" just means simultaneous.
How long until we just become an American state?
And by we I mean England.
And by we I mean England.
I think you should bet your house on it before the end of next year. Let us know how you get on.
Not a chance
I would point out that we have very few trade negotiators - and virtually no experienced ones (as the EU has handled these negotiations for years) - we certainly don't have sufficient numbers to be conducting numerous high profile highly complex negations in parallel - and certainly not enough to be playing the us negotiators off against the EU ones) ...
It would be nice if we could draw substance from our prime ministers words but I'm fairly confident his ramblings are just meant to placate the domestic audience (a nice way of saying telling the idiots what they want to believe)
For him to allude to the fact that we can't negotiate several trade deals all at the same time would be to show weakness. Bannons playbook doesn't allow any such talk, we're supreme and only ever supreme.
Think you could just waltz in like that? Ask Puerto Rico about it. Come to think of it, perhaps they let you in as United Rico or something like that. As a new colony, you might be an attractive proposition...
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_179
EU/UK negotiating directives Q&A session.
EU/UK negotiating directives Q&A session.
Makes me laugh when people still use fishing as one of their main reasons for voting Brexit. Since when does the world revolve around fishermen? It's not all about making them happy. Think about yourself, your family, your friends, and your local community before you think about how fishermen will benefit ffs.
fecking Brexit cnut
fecking Brexit cnut
had to scroll back to see what the background was to you posting this.Hard brexit at the end of the year then... expect to see the next three months full of cake and eat it and arguments about fish as frank mansour wraps himself in the flag and explodes with bile on a regular basis