Any sign of Mark Francois or the promised riots and nationwide civil chaos?
I understand a load of little kids will be going around terrorising a neighbourhood near you this evening.
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I understand a load of little kids will be going around terrorising a neighbourhood near you this evening.
Yes, most likely one of those outcomes, although it wouldn't surprise me if there was one really, really, last chance extension up to June 2020, when the EU starts on its seven year budget. However if a hung parliament is returned it isn't only Brexit that will go 't*ts up' in the UK, the storming of the Bastille will look like an afternoon tea party.
Of course it is the number one issue for you. You are comfortable and don't have to weigh up between sticking money in the meter for heating/electricity or using it for food. These people of whom there's plenty in this country, and disproportionately in the midlands, couldn't care less about Brexit. The same can be said about the old and the racist that don't care about anything else other than Brexit, they'll vote TBP and UKIP won't choose Conservative regardless.
I removed the remain and leave category from the first post as you'll vote based on just that but there's a colossal number of people who couldn't care less about it and just want to get out of the rut austerity has placed them in. Do you thinkthe 4 million+ people picking up cans of food from the ever growing foodbanks in this country think about the European Union while doing it?
It wasn't pure coincidence that Labour pulled back strongly in 2017 once the campaign started, it was because people were fed up with Conservative policies and longed for change, more than 2 years later and things have only got worse and while I agree Brexit will make it even worse these people don't care about the future they're trying to survive right now.
The GERRONWIVIT crowd are wherver the media finds them. Brexit dominates in the media not because that's what people want but because its news. People living in desolate conditions have just become the norm so its nothing to report about.
That's a decent retort tbf. I am somewhat aware I live in a London media bubble, albeit with (retired) northern family who are massive Brexiteers. I'm sure some of those poor you mention somehow blame the EU for their ills, rather than the Tories. I can see the merits of Labour campaigning on social justice issues, I'm just so wrapped up in Brexit -which has a massive impact on me professionally and potentially income and job security-wise- that I struggle to see beyond it.
What you said in your last sentence is precisely why this won't be a Brexit election, because just like you people won't be able to see the bigger picture and get beyond the issues currently facing them.
The Conservatives are in for a huge shock again not only because Labour policies will resonate strongly with what people need but because this time around they can't bring up the magic money tree without ditching their own "promises" of splash the cash policies.
Lads, have I got the drink for you....
Any sign of Mark Francois or the promised riots and nationwide civil chaos?
I hope no one is standing near him last night when he exploded.
You cant have a secons election just because you dont like the vote. Thats not how it works.
A majority, albeit small voted leave, the leaders of the country should be getting the UK out whether they agree with it or not as well.
Even simple legislation has to go through 3 readings in the commons and then further scrutiny in the House of Lords. This is after all the detail is carefully laid out and reviewed by industry and civil service usually.
You're suggesting that a simple yes or no vote pre-facts is enough to not need any scrutiny or expert opinion, irrspective of it being the biggest change in decades. In fact you're going one further and saying those who decided the direction shouldn't at any point get to question if they still want to go that way either.
Have you any idea how moronic that sounds?
We voted this parliament in as per the fixed term parliament act in 2017.
You can’t keep having general elections to have the Parliament you want every 2 years.
I'm expecting another hung parliament this election and back to square one.
Perhaps more uncertainty and lack of clarity on what to do other than revoke A50 might just be good reason to call it off with no clear vision after 4 years.
Perhaps more uncertainty and lack of clarity on what to do other than revoke A50 might just be good reason to call it off with no clear vision after 4 years.
What would it say for democracy if we call a second vote on this?
No vote in the future will be able to be upheld again.
I could understand a vote on 3 different versions of leave for example and the people get to vote for which one they prefer. That is actually probably the right way of going about it.
But i can't get behind another yes or no stay or leave vote. That decision has been made.
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Id go further and say david Cameron should have stayed and finished his job. It was his doing but he's left others to pick up the pieces
I don't agree with that either. Those in power should be working together to deliver what was voted for.
Id go further and say david Cameron should have stayed and finished his job. It was his doing but he's left others to pick up the pieces
This is the crux of the matter, consent of the losers is missing and after all the infighting that's taken place, it will be so for a long time.
We are heading for an American style politics whether we like it or not, and to the phrase "Every things fair in love and war" we can add... "and in Politics"
They pinched all my sweets. Damn Brexiteers.
How about we ask the EU for the ultimate BINO deal, we keep everything as is, just without MEPs?
What would it say for democracy if the UK was taken out of the EU on terms that would be opposed by a majority of the population? I totally understand opposition to a second referendum and opposition to referendums in general but the common framing of it as undemocratic is laughable. A second referendum will only happen if a majority is obtained in the upcoming election by parties who have stood on an explicit platform to implement a second referendum. The notion that it would therefore be undemocratic is simply untenable.
Well this time we might actually get something close to an informed democractic decision given the misinformation and outright lies that poisoned the last referendum.
You can't have a decision this important and consequential made with outright lies like "£350 million a week", "the easiest deal ever", "we hold all the cards", "no one is talking about leaving the single market", to the targeted ads on facebook about Turkey joining, fictitious EU armies, that we were going to lose our veto or be forced to join the euro and the rest of it.
If Labour won the general election and negotiated and agreed a new deal, also an if of course, then I would support a second referendum, but only if it included all four choices by single transferable vote. My personal choice might be 1) Remain, 2) Johnson's deal or May's, 3) No Deal, 4) The Labour deal, which I assume would contain freedom of movement. Now my purpose here isn't to justify my choice and answer questions on it, it's too hypothetical to waste my time on that, my purpose is to say that I and others should have the full choice of alternatives. I would not support a rigged second referendum with only two choices.
A mature democracy must surely be able to correct or revise a decision.
Whats to say it needs corrected? Whats to say every vote from now on doesnt need correction?
If we do this once, people will clamour for it at every vote
At every ill conceived referendum? Yes, yes they will.
Clearly a lot of lies were told. Nothing that was promised by the side that won has materialised.
You don’t think asking the people if they still want it despite all that is a reasonable position?
I wonder...before the referendum, was the public truly made aware of the possibility of the result becoming law?
The fact is was poisoned by lies, dark money and proven illegality.
Labour manifesto 2017 - "Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union."
Out of date though. I'm more interested in what their new manifesto will say. How will they improve on the current deal without ending freedom of movement, or whether they still intend to end it, and what will be the choices be in their proposed second referendum.
Yes, the 2019 version may be different. However, the rest of his negotiated Brexit is the same as the 2017 version.
I'll take your word for it Paul, but my point isn't about the nature of any Labour deal, my point is that should there be a second referendum there should be choice between that deal, Remain, the Tory Deal, and No Deal.
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If we remain (I don't think we will) it would be democratically acceptable to stand on a 3rd referendum at every general election from now until the end of time and have one if you got elected into government. It's how democracy works.
This is a new election it's quite within their rights to change policy.
Leavers would hate that as it would water down the leave vote.
Single transferable vote. It might come down to Tory Deal v Labour Deal, or Remain v No Deal, or one v the other, my point is that if there is a second referendum people should have the full range of choices, no rigging to give only two.
I don't have a problem with it.
Confusion as NO ONE turns up for 'huge' pro Brexit demo in Doncaster
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Yes, I understand your point. I just think it will be just reworded version of the last time and that won't be one of the choices.
Does that mean it was probably just as well Labour didn't win last time regarding Brexit? Waiting with bated breath for the new version.
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