The EU doesn't care about a second referendum, they only care about a definitive answer.
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The EU doesn't care about a second referendum, they only care about a definitive answer.
I suspect the idea of us coming back in a decade or so and admitting we made a mistake and that we would very much like to rejoin accepting the Euro and having no veto is pretty attractive to the EU... A damn lot more attractive than us having another close referendum now And them having a disruptive veto wielding divided country represented by the likes of farrage
Exactly, a close referendum won't fix the underlying issue and there would be a genuine risk that one of the next general elections lead to a new brexit campaign. Ideally you leave with a deal that mitigates the downsides of being out of an union and maybe in a decade or two you comeback.
Dig the ditch!
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The EU is pursuing an ever closer integration for which the UK is often a kind of roadblock. They would prefer the UK in the EU, for sure, but as a willing and active participant. Not as an intransigent member. Given the amount of euroscepticism in the country and the number of hard eurosceptic MPs we put out (nearly half of our MPs are brexiteers) they prefer us to be in the trading block but not in the EU, like Norway is.
Secondly, there's very little correlation between the EU offering an extension before the vote, and a 2nd referendum. A second referendum requires a willing administration and there's little prospect of that happening under a Tory Govt. And they will still be the biggest party after an election if all polls are to be believed. So undermining them, has higher risk than potential benefit.
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That's more like it with the thread title @Damien
Yeah, that was totally my doing. Wibble
Thread on what will be introduced on Monday
Maybe he can't write.
Maybe it’s Maybelline
Called it, was all just bravado to distance himself from it as if that's going to be enough to justify his broken promises again.
Also he'll be in the courts Monday. They promised to the court they wouldn't send another letter to frustrate the will of the law.
The point is that she was mildly heckled and desevedly so for the divisive rhetoric she continually spouts in the media.
To then complain about it in a holier-than-thou manner is prize winning hypocrisy.
Is the EU decision expected to be announced tonight or when?
Read a few tweets saying around the 28th.
A former Tory cabinet minister said Johnson was clearly behaving in a way that was “against the spirit of the Benn act”, which required him to have asked for an extension by 11pm last night if no Brexit deal had been approved by parliament by then, or parliament had not given its backing to a no-deal outcome.
The former minister said: “I think this will end up in the courts again. This is clearly against the spirit of the Benn act and is not consistent with the assurances that were given by Downing Street to the Scottish courts about applying for an extension. It will also put government law officers in a very uncomfortable position.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/humiliated-boris-johnson-under-huge-pressure-to-seek-brexit-delay
There’s the ‘other’ signed letter by Boris
To be fair, that's a good letter.
Not as bad as I expected
EU will sit on the request till the middle of next week I think to see if Boris deal gets passed or if there is a confidence motion
Not a bad day from Boris' point of view, he's still moving towards the 31st, and the big killer letter deadline everyone's been waiting for seems to have left the opposition more wondering what to do next rather than him.
Well from what I can gather they won't have to wonder for long, the case will be in court on Monday.
What do think will happen then?
I imagine the government will lose again and then probably comply. I don't really know though.
None of us do to be fair. But he's sent the letter as required so it's hard to see what the court can say. Send a signed version or something maybe, but his point's been made, it can't be unmade.
Sending an unsigned letter, feck me we've got really childish (as if it wasn’t before). Dare I ask, does the letter have to be signed?
does an unsigned letter mean anything?
yeah, I know why he's doing it, just that he's not following the intent or even the letter of the law by not signing it, right?
yeah, I know why he's doing it, just that he's not following the intent or even the letter of the law by not signing it, right?
If Labour proposed to repeal the Withdrawal Act would they have the numbers to succeed? The opposition does have the option of proposing a small number of bills I believe.
I've yet to see anyone suggest it has to be signed no. It's just all a big show of defiance from Boris so he can claim he didn't extend.
Now we just need the EU to do the sensible thing and give us enough time so we can get a referendum through. It's in their interests economically and as an example to other nations not to waste their time trying the same
It is very juvenile. The Benn Act definitely stipulated explicitly that the PM had to sign it (actually, I think it said 'signed by the Prime Minister' so the fact he's sent a photocopy of that could, I suppose, count?) However, I suspect that the fact he has sent it and Tusk has confirmed that he has received it should suffice to make it immaterial, really. The potential trouble will be if the other letter can be deemed to be an attempt to frustrate the Act. I've read that the government's argument is supposed to be along the lines that because government policy prior to the Act was to oppose an extension then it is not contrary to the Act to restate what their policy was beforehand.
It seems crazy to leave. The country is split, parliament is in turmoil, the leave vote proved to be based on lies, the government lying to the queen. What the feck are we achieving with this shite? We’re fighting for the right to feck our own economy, it’s not even like we’re causing all this mayhem for something worth while
Surely, with this much carnage, you should be retaining the status quo or at least having a confirmation
A lot of gammon on twitter angrily trying to argue that Boris has stuck to his word and hasn't actually sent a request because he's not signed it and its just a photocopy. Bless the knuckle draggers 