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Ress-Mogg said:
https://www.ft.com/content/36a01cd8-ceed-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3fFinancial Times said:
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Strange, I was able to read it earlier. Anyway...it quotes some financial experts who claim that Labour's aims of a soft Brexit (or no Brexit) now seem far more palatable than Johnson's daylight robbery.
A no Deal Brexit would be a lottery win for Trump and BoJo personally.
Was a great long read. Thanks for sharing.
The crazier the times, the better the journalism becomes.
So, basically a circus.
100 years ago the country would be divided by civil war because of this. Armed conflict on the streets.
Surely it's not that bad?
It's impressive how Boris' machinations have rendered him completely impotent in just a few days of dealing with parliament and galvanised parliament into something resembling a focused and sensible body.
If he keeps at it, he might even somehow jerk parliament into doing something constructive in the end.
If he keeps at it, he might even somehow jerk parliament into doing something constructive in the end.
Do you have a link to this pre referendum claim?
Just a random thought but where has Yvette Cooper been this week? One of the better and more outspoken MPs and I can't remember seeing her?
He’s right, I think, however it’s completely disingenuous.
How can you say that people voted to leave because of the warnings from the remain side? These warnings were seen as ‘project fear’ and we will get this great and amazing deal as they need us more than we need them.
Remember we could be like Norway or Switzerland and have this fantastic arrangement. Vote leave specifically said on their literature and their campaigning we would leave with a deal.
To turn around and now say ‘oh remain said we wouldn’t have a deal and that’s why we voted for it’ isn’t really an honest argument.
The fact is a lot of people on both sides of the debate said a lot of things that were neither consistent or illuminating with individuals saying different things at different times to different audiences. Plenty of Leave campaigners said we'd retain the option to stay in in a free trade zone or a customs union, plenty of Remain campaigners said a vote to leave would be to abandon them. The entire question of what would happen if we voted to leave thus remained utterly murky. Anyone claiming with a straight face that everyone was clear in the over-riding intention and consequence of voting to leave is being intentionally disingenuous.
Not sure why people on here are buoyant, it seems that it is going to plan for Bojo still. We don't crash out on the 31st so he won't have to own no deal, there will be a GE soon and he will be able to base his campaign on Bojo vs the anti-democratic parliament and the anti-Brexit Jeremy Corbyn.
Lords back the bill as expected. feck you Boris.
Yeah, that’s my take too.
This is good.
Yes but the terms determine what future arrangements will look like and is far more far reaching than just trade.
Either way we're fecked out off maintaining trading arrangements by the end to freedom of movement. The one thing everyone agrees the referendum vote demanded.
Add on top of that the insistence that we leave the trading block to pursue our own trade deals... That will end in humiliation
True just look at the front page of the sun, unfortunately the tabloid has way too much influence.
I think Johnson will have a terrible election campaign. It's all well and good blustering through questions on PMQs and in the House of Commons, it's a whole different ball game doing it in front of the country and to the very people who's votes your relying upon.
I'd expect the Conservatives to get the most seats at the next election, but I don't think they will get a majority, which perhaps opens the door to a Labour coalition of sorts.
Could be wrong, probably am, but this has been a bruising couple of days for Johnson.
That is so typical isn't it and displays a basic lack of understanding.
What it means is that a UK government cannot leave the EU unless it has a negotiated leave settlement.
Boris keeps trying to tell us that he is working hard with the EU negotiators.
Michel Barnier however tells us that the discussions are in a state of paralysis.
Now. Who should we believe I wonder.
Oh yeah, JRM really pulled a masterstroke alright.
A decent thread to read from Foster who seems well connected in all this. The take away is that Boris and No 10 are spinning minor discussions (not negotiations) as progress and overstating the strength of their positions.
Also irish sea border is back hidden amongst all this waffle.
That is a good thread. And I can confirm from the Irish side of the pond that there has been zero mention - from any political commentator over here - of the sort of dialogue alluded to by BJ et al. Not even a whisper. So there’s a very good chance the whole thing is a complete fiction. Just like all his lies about progress being made in Brussels.
No it isn’t obvious. What is obvious is the joke about their appearance is accurate. Why the hell should such an oppressive religious tool get special protection?! It’s madness!
I'm in no way saying that their plan will work when it comes to endgame, its definitely as likely to blow up in his face as it is to work.
The election will be a single issue one, however. I won't be like May's election where both her and Corbyn managed to hide from Brexit almost entirely. The public's patience with the issue has worn incredibly thin so it will harm Corbyn if he tries to evade the issue with talks of nationalisation of industries etc. I do feel it will be fought by Boris on the shallowest of terms and that will be enough for a significant faction of Brexit inclined voters.
The vast majority of people are not 'nerding out' on this as @Kentonio pointed out, for them the narrative they draw from all this noise will be much more general I feel i.e parliament and Corbyn blocking Brexit.
My guess is that we'll have a hung parliament and it will be up to Labour & the Dems to work something out.
Good point. Well made.
Very interesting, thanks.
Last bit is easy to answer. Boris doesn't give a feck.
Don't go for an election and let Boris be trapped in Downing Street without a working majority and a hostile Parliament for the remainder of the term. Fun times!
At least the Tories are tearing themselves apart and a hard Brexit has become less likely. or at least less immediate. Until it actually happens I'm clinging to hope that we will can the whole idiotic idea of leaving.
You never know in politics but I do get the feeling that the whole Brexit mess from 2016 could be the 'longest suicide note in history' for the Tories.
Given that we've just seen parliament move to block no deal, surely there was nothing at all disingenuous about Remain warning people of the danger of a Leave vote see us abandon the customs union?
Remain campaigned hard about the risks of leaving the EU, and were brushed away as fear mongering, while Leave promised the world. Since the result, all of Leave's promises have long been forgotten, and instead we're being told reassuring things like, "we should probably have just about enough food to not starve," and, "we've got a stockpile of body bags to cope with an increased mortality rate," while pretty much every risk we were warned about from Remain has been proven real.
And yet we've still got people trotting out, "well, both sides said things..."
It's bollocks.
Don’t think anyone has ever said that to me, thank you.
Can't shake the feeling that the tories will come out with what they want (no deal) and a majority. It will be grim and the plebs will love it, despite it being the worst thing possible for them.
Stuff like that needs/needed broadcasting in a prime time tv slot. That poor guy.
You can't always stop a suicide but you can try.