But they must know that there is no way that Corbyn will ever become PM. So once this vote gets rejected in a minute I’m assuming they will then try and paint Corbyn as a coward? The bloke is damned either way.
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I kind of feel all bets are off in a GE. It would possibly be a hung parliament. I heard one commentator say tonight that Boris might even resign as Prime Minister if Labour don’t call for an election, with the thinking that Corbyn would be unable to form a government, bringing about a GE.
Should there be an early General Election?
Ayes: 298
Noes: 56
Majority required was 434.
Ayes: 298
Noes: 56
Majority required was 434.
So much winning for Boris over these 3 days 
What is Johnson's next move then?
so now what?
Has a prime minister ever had their pants pulled down so many times in their first couple of months in charge?
where was Corbyn?
Can we just have a few years of this? It’s the political equivalent of this:
He didn't want to give BJ some free hits.
Has a prime minister ever had their pants pulled down so many times in their first couple of months in charge?
Parliament has been back 2 days!
Baptism of fire for Boris. Been a disasterclass so far.
Resign as PM. Corbyn can’t form a government and a GE is called?
On 9/11?
When does the bill become law? Corbyn said he'd have the GE if the bill gained royal assent
Ronnie Campbell, Stephen Hepburn and Kate Hoey voted Aye from Labour
If he resigns, isn’t another Tory called up, as he was when Teresa May resigned? Forgive my ignorance
I didn't say the Tory government in general... I was questioning the perceived accepted notion that over the last couple of months the government has become far more right wing; when the evidence shows the contrary.
I'm guessing the answer is simply that it's an easy attack to say the government has become "far right" over the last couple of months, despite little evidence.
In my view it's far more nuanced than that. I don't believe Tony Blair was any of the terms you've described (no fan of him either by the way) however his huge mandate meant he could push through policies that could be deemed undemocratic or totalitarian. But to suggest he moved his party anywhere apart from bolt centre would be incorrect.
I don't think a party can be deemed "moving to the far right" if the entirety of their policy message is in fact moving towards the centre of messages of spending, immigration, social issues etc.
It's a lazy miscategorisation is my only point (coming from someone who dislikes Johnson).
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Not sure, just repeating what one of those ‘experts’ on this shit said on BBC news.
I've a feeling the government is allowed to resign en masse. No idea what the protocol is in such an event, but I guess it would be similar to a vote of no confidence.
Can someone explain to me what happened in the last 2 days?
The gift that keeps on giving
Business as usual I'd say.
Total shambles
Was there loads of abstentions?
Yes ... It was certainly labour policy to abstain
Some of parliament think they have stopped a no deal Brexit - which they haven't.
The MPs who did want an election don't want it now and the MPs who didn't want an election do want it now.
They also thought they got rid of the worst PM in history but find they've now got a worse one.
Jess Phillips gave a hell of a speech. Ken Clarke and herself were the only pair making any sense.
agree. especially with scumbag Trump as president.
What’s the incentive for Corbyn to call an election until after October 31st? Providing this bill goes through doesn’t it make it very likely that no deal is off the table.
Hers was a party resignation. Before the Fixed term act a government could certainly resign to trigger a GE now it's all a bit untested and unknown.
Trying to understand Boris's gameplan, as it looks so disastrous that it's likely actually by design.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...S9GBNfs6Hd-GDb657uma4e3WnbJgcWtUpaeV9c-WhyU8S
Looks like this bill to block No deal, may itself be blocked by filibustering in the House of Lords until prorogation. And then No deal occurs by default. Probably more complex than that. He must be very confident in the Lords.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...S9GBNfs6Hd-GDb657uma4e3WnbJgcWtUpaeV9c-WhyU8S
Looks like this bill to block No deal, may itself be blocked by filibustering in the House of Lords until prorogation. And then No deal occurs by default. Probably more complex than that. He must be very confident in the Lords.
Whilst A50 hasn't been revoked no deal is always on the table, to avoid no deal the UK parliament has to agree to a deal which they so far haven't and don't look as if they ever will. The bill just calls to ask for an extension.
Hard to drag this out that long. Two months of a minority government screaming for an election would risk pissing off the public too much.
The Lord's will let it through. If they don't they will effectively sign the death warrent for the House of Lords by stopping legislation approved by the elected house. They simply don't do that.
The last few days have been the (not so) slow realisation from the Tories that the reason Boris puts on a front of being an ignorant, fumbling buffoon, is because he is one...and they've allowed him to become their Prime Minister.
He's acting like he thinks this is all some game of chess he can win but then keeps being caught out because he doesn't understand the rules. The proroguing move could really work against him now, and I can't figure out how it was ever going to work out well.
Particularly amused by him being called out on his remarks about Muslims. Had nothing to do with what was going on but it made him look like a complete moron.
Best he can do now is try to force through an election but can't see that happening without it being on Labour's terms. He's just turfed out a chunk of his own party for no real reason. Trying to rule through fear on some of the others. It's like he challenged himself to make Theresa May look competent.
He's acting like he thinks this is all some game of chess he can win but then keeps being caught out because he doesn't understand the rules. The proroguing move could really work against him now, and I can't figure out how it was ever going to work out well.
Particularly amused by him being called out on his remarks about Muslims. Had nothing to do with what was going on but it made him look like a complete moron.
Best he can do now is try to force through an election but can't see that happening without it being on Labour's terms. He's just turfed out a chunk of his own party for no real reason. Trying to rule through fear on some of the others. It's like he challenged himself to make Theresa May look competent.
Things have been talked out in the Lords before.
I’d love to see Hoey fired out of a cannon.