Hopefully Soames, Hammond, Gauke and the like would tell him to piss off.
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I agree and it all depends now on whether Boris finishes up still in Office but not in power. Once Parliament gets a taste of power it will want more, Boris can sit back pretend he's hog tied and simply do nothing claiming Parliament is now in control, but won't let him call a GE. Then its quite possible a Government of National Unity whatever is formed (through necessity) by all the opposition coming together and trying to run the Government through control of the order papers, as the have done now with the anti-No deal Bill ( how long that unity lasts is anybody's guess). However, they have no control over offices of state, Departments etc. and can pass as many bills as they like (assuming Lords approve and Royal ascent) but few will be enacted. Meanwhile at the EU the Brexiteer MEPs are laying depth charges all over the place, testing the EU's patience even further.
The chaos will deepen and Boris will, like Pilot, be stood on the side lines washing his hands and saying "its all up to you, its you who made this situation" Parliament then have to decide to revoke A50 or accept what ever deal the EU offers, possibly May's WA 'tarted' up somehow, because of their own actions their hands are tied and they cannot go for a No deal, so then its...anyone for an election?
The chances then are we are staying in the EU(A50 revoked by Government of National Unity), Boris will win the GE, in-fighting for years and still 29 anti EU MEPs wandering about the EU Parliament, they will become Boris's (expendable) shock troops!
Jo Johnson has quit
Quick, someone get Gary Lineker on the phone.
Even his own brother thinks he's a cnut
So shit even his own brother can't work with him 
I'm not sure what the answer here is as a general election, despite the fact it may not give any winner power in parliament, seems the only option to mix things back up.
Either we continue with this stalemate and allow more and more time to pass or we declare an election and effectively vote in the party we feel will deliver what we want however I can't see how this can be the Conservatives as they have already failed to agree amongst themselves so there would be no sense in re-electing a Johnson led party back into power.
That leaves us with the Labour party and another Brexit referendum (and also being stuck with Corbyn as PM), or the Lib Dems (who want to pull the plug on Brexit and have a brand new leader).
Either we continue with this stalemate and allow more and more time to pass or we declare an election and effectively vote in the party we feel will deliver what we want however I can't see how this can be the Conservatives as they have already failed to agree amongst themselves so there would be no sense in re-electing a Johnson led party back into power.
That leaves us with the Labour party and another Brexit referendum (and also being stuck with Corbyn as PM), or the Lib Dems (who want to pull the plug on Brexit and have a brand new leader).
Tension between family and national interest
One can say about tories what one likes, but they are impressive backstabbers.
We just need another 20 odd and they won't even be the biggest party
Loses control to Parliament, loses his majority, now losing his own family. But at least Donald still loves him
I guess the only other possible outcome is a government of national unity being formed if johnson looses a confidence vote (which seems pretty certain he would now)
i couldnt see enough people backing corbyn - but I could see enough people backing ken clarke - especially as he is going to quit at the next ge anyway and (thanks to cummings) is now an independent MP... let him run the show for 6 months to a year (whatever it takes to organise a referendum) then he quits and we have a GE
Probably less likley than going straight to a Ge but quite a bit more likely than it was before IMO now hes been kicked out of the conservatives
Tension between family and national interest
One can say about tories what one likes, but they are impressive backstabbers.
Not called the Nasty party for nothing.
Tin foil helmet time I know, but I really believe that will be a factor that tips the EU to agreeing to an extension, and my god it would make me happy!
I don't think that's tin foil hat at all. Boris and his ilk have constantly offended not just the EU but it's key figures if they can achieve their goals whilst also sticking it to them then I'm sure they will. It sends a message to the right in other countries too.
So shit even his own brother can't work with him
Do you know what I am looking forward to.
Mr Bumble having to go to the EU asking for an extension to the end and of October and Nigel Farrage and his Brexit Party declaring war on him...
And then what happens - it's just kicking the can down the road a little and that's assuming the EU allow an extension - it must be obvious by now to them that the UK parliament will never agree on any withdrawal agreement. If they allowed an extension to end January, they'd still be in the same state as they are now.
Say there was an election after Oct 31st - If Johnson wins, which is likely - he'll go no deal if Corbyn wins he'll try to negotiate his fantasy island deal and the Uk will be back to 2016 but the threat of no deal will still be there because parliament still won't agree a withdrawal agreement. It just goes on until the EU just run out of patience.
It would be divine, its about time that people like mogg johnson and farage faced the consequences of their selfishness and treachery. Mogg is not just a selfish prick, he is actually evil, he is prepared to put peoples lives at risk for the sake of filling his already overflowing coffers, the clown is literally a fluffy white cat and volcano lair away from being a bond villain.
So, basically a circus.
Yes but seems to get more ridiculous by the day.
Maybe but lurching out in October would end any chance of a better outcome. A new referendum and staying in the EU is still possible even if unlikely.
It would be glorious!
Because they somehow have the reputation of being the party of fiscal responsibility. Which is why the last 9 years of Tory rule have been nothing but sunshine and roses.
depending how you ask the question perhaps not so unlikely
perhaps a little extreme of an example but 1 or 2 questions? 2 or more options? transferable vote or not? - I think a 2nd referendum is going to take a lot of time (and lawyers) to agree a final question (which both sides will still say is unfair to them) - but hey anything is possible - id certainly vote to remain (as I did before)
And if we do leave Ill be voting for whoever campaigns for rejoin
What a week.
Corbyn should fly a banner "Boris Johnson: a specialist in failure" . Then Ed should charge him a license fee.
Yes it could delay things and hope that people come to their senses, seems a very slim possibility but when there's still hope...
But my point was that if people are saying this bill takes no deal off the table, it is simply not true.
The first time an MP has quit to spend less time with their family
it explicitly and deliberately leaves it on the table... it only caveats that if there is no alternative deal presented by the PM for the HOC to vote on then the HOC will vote on no deal and if they reject that then the PM has to request an extension.
I do wonder though whats actually to stop him just refusing to do that on the 19th?
I would guess legal action would be taken but I suspect its not a five minute job to simply strip him of being the PM, agree and appoint somebody else, get them sworn in and then get them to go over?
I believe labour were getting legal advice today about how watertight (or not) the bill will be on the PM - I suspect the PM is getting similar advice in order to see if he can wiggle out of it
Just listened a little to Gove giving evidence to the Brexit Committee - Gove waffling and the Brexit Committee seem to have no idea what they're doing. This is surely a joke.
Edit: Gove is a slimy toad. Talks a lot and says nothing.
Edit: Gove is a slimy toad. Talks a lot and says nothing.
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Yes but even if Johnson complied and the EU did grant an extension until 31st January. If today was the 1st February what happens now?
I am not so sure that a second referendum is unlikely.
To those wanting an election, I say be careful what you wish for.
Because it will solve nothing.
Only a second referendum can break the stalemate.
An early election is simply a trap and if Mr Bumble thinks that by appealing to the public later that he will somehow get his way, then he has completely misjudged public opinion.
And by the way his decision to suspend parliament is about shoot himself in both feet.
You can't totally take no deal off the table.
depending how you ask the question perhaps not so unlikely
perhaps a little extreme of an example but 1 or 2 questions? 2 or more options? transferable vote or not? - I think a 2nd referendum is going to take a lot of time (and lawyers) to agree a final question (which both sides will still say is unfair to them) - but hey anything is possible - id certainly vote to remain (as I did before)
And if we do leave Ill be voting for whoever campaigns for rejoin
Q1 leave or revoke A50
Then if leave gets over 50%
Q2 May's deal or no deal
Yes exactly
its one option but the counter arguments would be... we have already had q1 so lets go straight to q2
and who is going to propose mays deal as q2?... not the conservatives (who want a harder deal)... and not labour (who want a softer deal)
Im pretty certain that calling something "Mays deal" would not pass the scrutiny of the electoral commission
as I say its going to have a lot of legal challenges as there is probably 20 different options available and 95% of people will disagree with 95% of them (format , options etc) - without all the legal arguments over wordings etc... it will take at least 6 months to run a referndum (by law - the period to pass the legistlation, the period for the question to be agreed, official campaigns designated then the run up period) - add in legal challanges and I wouldnt be surprised to see it take a year (and if somebody wanted to negotiate a new deal to put on the referendum... make that 2 years or more)
No, please, no more referendums, if we are staying in then the current parliament has to have the guts to revoke A50, that is the only way to stop a No Deal.
A new referendum would take ages to agree the question to be put, which despite talk of various options for the question to have any validity over the first referendum it would still have to be binary, i.e. Remain or Leave and in the meantime the government of this country will be 'all at sea', it has to end now. Parliament whilst it has the whip hand has to vote to revoke A50, its the last chance. Despite hopes that extensions might allow for a new referendum it also allows for a GE, Parliament cant keep Boris in office but not in power indefinitely, as the damage to the Government and economy would be ten times worse than a No Deal Brexit. After a relative short period of time the further real (not project fear) chaos caused will be firmly placed on Parliaments shoulders, and whenever the GE comes they will be slaughtered by a revised and renewed Brexit front, with the (albeit rump but sizeable) Conservative party deployed in formation with Brexit Party candidates across those areas where they can win.
Parliament has manoeuvred to get a foothold on power, but its a tenuous one, it has to act decisive and revoke A50 otherwise all is lost, any further extension leads to No Deal...eventually!
I agree. A new referendum will solve nothing. What happens if remain wins by 1% this time? Or leave wins by 1.8% again.
The only way to fix this is for the Government to admit that putting the choice to the people in the first place was a stupid idea because the issue is far too big and broad to be decided like that, and revoke the whole thing and apologize. That will obviously not happen though because The UK is run by fecktards.
I don't watch the commons much, so it might be normal for him but it stood out to me watching the GE debate last night how he was just sat in the back corner.
Excellent.