NI voted 56% in favour of remain. If you don't think that means they voted to remain then you're arguing against facts and logic.
You make a good brexiteer, actually.
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You make a good brexiteer, actually.
Of course NI is a country. It did not vote to remain in the EU as Northern Ireland is not a member of the EU.
Nor is Scotland, Wales or England.
Saying UK wide results are only meaningful is one thing. Saying NI didn't vote remain is another.
So if a single person voted to remain then they didn't actually vote to remain in the EU? They should just go "oh actually the other 66m voted to leave so that means I did too!"
That's not how logic works
NI and Scotland for that matter don’t want any part off this madness. Never have. Why is it fair that a UK government only thinks about England because let’s face it, it’s an English nationality issue nothing else (leaving aside the people in England who protest voted against their government because its shat on them for decades)
I really really wish we could put 17m brexiteers on an island, stick cameras on every street corner, bus stop and tube station, and just watch what happens for a couple of decades. It would make great TV. Too bad there's ~47m others along for the ride and the cameras are closed circuit
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.How can they vote to remain in something they, as Northern Ireland, are not members of?
It was a UK wide vote, for the UK, not for the nation's that make up the UK.
Also sadly they are real people, many of whom do not live fortunate lives, and it wouldn't be funny to watch them suffer just because they support a horrendous and bigoted idea.I really really wish we could put 17m brexiteers on an island, stick cameras on every street corner, bus stop and tube station, and just watch what happens for a couple of decades. It would make great TV. Too bad there's ~47m others along for the ride and the cameras are closed circuit
Boris, Gove and Cameron Battle Royale is more my style.
It's fairly simple, as members of the UK and the EU, Northern Irish and by extension Northern Ireland voted to remain within the EU.
Not what I was saying at all.
You said Northern Ireland voted to remain. I said it didn't. It can't vote to remain in something it is not a member of.
And yes, the votes matter, they were part of the tallies for remain and leave.
Ironic that it was the UK that initially suggested the backstop. You couldn't make this shit up.
Ok, someone is going to have to grab the list of EU members and show where it says Northern Ireland. Scotland too, while we are at it as its one of the SNP's favourite claims.
If Northern Ireland is listed, I apologise and retract my statement.
Eh we bloody well did!
Have to give it to Wensley for the best WUM is recent times though 
Those English voters would basically be everyone outside London.
Have to give it to Wensley for the best WUM is recent times though
Wait... Making a factually correct statement is wumming?
I get people don't like it, but it's correct.
No it isn't.
And it's not that I don't like it. I love it. It's the funniest thing I've read today.
The fact that they are real is what would make it interesting
. They can't be forced into not hurting themselves and reason has been tried by people a lot more patient than me. The rest of us should at least get something out of it if we're all going to pay. (I'm not being entirely serious and the 47m others would make it boring in reality)I endorse the Battle Royale too though, it doesn't have to be either or!
Ok wales and England
I'd say we're all about to fecked for a mess that the Tory's want.
Even so, the biggest hold up now between NI continuing to enjoy the benefits of the CU is the DUP (a party that NI voted in).
About that list of EU members. Have you got it to hand, perhaps you can educate me and then this little discussion can be put to bed.
You can google the list of EU members. You don't need me to. You can also google "logic" and how it works. Cause that you definitely need.
Look, I don't want to go back and forth over this. You are mistaken, as is everyone else who claims Northern Ireland or any other member of the UK voted, as a nation themselves, to remain or leave the UK.
There's nothing to be mistaken about, it's all pretty factual. Nor do you have to go back over anything. You just need to understand how logic works.
Disagree with most of the 1st paragraph
I'm hearing tentative noises that Sinn Fein MP's are preparing local snap polls requesting permission to temporarily vacate their abstentionism mandate and sit. Not sure how much difference it would make without a unity figure to rally around who can get a majority for temporary government. Corbyn is useless and I suspect Cummings will hold off a GE until after exit date.
Still not prepared to go full bear mode myself.
Still not prepared to go full bear mode myself.
I won't hold my breath on that one.
...if it happens. the Tory heads exploding would be worth it.
tbh I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Enough blame to go around but many people are going to suffer.
The only way I could see Sinn Fein getting the go ahead from their base for such a move would be if they were getting a unity referendum out of it.
you're talking pure shite.That will never happen.
Border in the Irish sea anyone? It's probably the only way out of this mess. Would be a pretty good deal for NI in comparison to a no deal and would give NI a competitive advantage over the rest of the UK.
The Irish government suggested that ages ago and the Tories and DUP both said to feck off. No way it'll happen.
Oh it will, just watch. DUP about to get thrown under a bus and I can't wait.
From memory it was the initial proposition made by the EU, which led to the UK proposing the backstop.
That's because of the DUP, I suspect their influence is going to disappear soon be it through general election or just running out of time to avoid no deal.
You really think? It would certainly be an initial step towards a united Ireland if it did happen, and as you said would put NI in a very good position. I think the main problem with it is it'll cost the UK a lot of money to implement, and if they're already out with no deal by then, they probably won't want to spend the money while the EU spends nothing.
That was the EU's preferred solution I think...
It was may and Davies who renegotiated it to be UK wide (perhaps an even worse decision in retrospect than calling the ge when she did)
I think it will probably end up that way yeah. It's the only plausible way I can imagine a brexit deal working.