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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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WensleyMU said:
When said country isn't asked as its own independent nation. It's hardly rocket science is it?

The exact words on the ballot were "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There were two options, Remain a member of the European Union, Leave the European Union.
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Stupid rocket science at least.

Let me get this straight, you're actually saying that there's a difference between saying "NI voted to remain" and "the people of NI voted to remain"? In spite of the fact that the former clearly implies it's the people we're talking about? Wow.
 
Maagge said:
Stupid rocket science at least.

Let me get this straight, you're actually saying that there's a difference between saying "NI voted to remain" and "the people of NI voted to remain"? In spite of the fact that the former clearly implies it's the people we're talking about? Wow.
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Yes, because Northern Ireland in its current state, cannot remain a member of the EU if the UK is leaving.
 
Stanley Road said:
First you attack the poster then you cant even understand his point.
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his point is absurd.

I understand it, he's saying NI didn't vote to leave because they voted as part of the UK and not as their own nation, which is ridiculous, like the vote being UK wide makes any fecking difference whatsoever to how they'd have voted. Actually maybe it would, in that they'd probably vote far more in favour of remain if they didn't have the UK to rely on, which renders his point even more moot.

He's also being stupidly pedantic and trying to claim that saying "the people of NI voted" makes it a totally different argument to "NI voted".
 
WensleyMU said:
When said country isn't asked as its own independent nation. It's hardly rocket science is it?

The exact words on the ballot were "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There were two options, Remain a member of the European Union, Leave the European Union.
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hang on @WensleyMU is onto something here...
If we changed the name of the European Union and call it the European Federation then we've left the EU and done what it said on the ballot without turning ireland into a war zone again... this sounds like a plan
 
sun_tzu said:
hang on @WensleyMU is onto something here...
If we changed the name of the European Union and call it the European Federation then we've left the EU and done what it said on the ballot without turning ireland into a war zone again... this sounds like a plan
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Its impossible to comprehend the stupidity of this.
 
We also voted to join the European Community, not the European Union.... so does that mean we aren't actually members in the first place....
 
It's not just prices. It's a domino effect. A 3% fall in house prices will see a considerable number of people defaulting on their mortgages. Where the economy goes from there is anyone's guess.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Technically Northern Ireland never voted to join the UK so they're not in the UK and therefore not in the EU.
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Technically Scotland nor Wales never voted to join the UK so they're not in the UK and therefore not in the EU. By jove I think you may have cracked it. Dissolve the UK and let England charge ahead into no deal obscurity!
 
balaks said:
Technically Scotland or Wales never voted to join the UK so they're not in the UK and therefore not in the EU. By jove I think you may have cracked it. Dissolve the UK and let England charge ahead into no deal obscurity!
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Technically Ireland never voted to join Earth so I declare us Martians.
 
WensleyMU said:
I would assume these people had lived outside the UK for over 15 years, some might have possibly been born abroad to UK parents and have never lived here. It's a tough one, I guess but if you have lived away for such a long time, then should you really be able to dictate the views of the people still living there?
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... that doesn't address my question at all.
 
WensleyMU said:
I would assume these people had lived outside the UK for over 15 years, some might have possibly been born abroad to UK parents and have never lived here. It's a tough one, I guess but if you have lived away for such a long time, then should you really be able to dictate the views of the people still living there?
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How do you assume anything, Stanley is a UK born person currently living in Holland but intends to return to the UK later but can't vote.

But much more interestingly you said the people who are living in the UK should be able to vote but EU citizens living in the UK were not allowed to vote, now if you are saying they should be then there could be a good chance that the result of the referendum would be completely different. Excellent idea.

PS Still waiting for a positive of leaving the EU - have waited over three years so a bit longer won't hurt.
Wonder how many people voted to leave because the person they saw on the bus was French and not Thai.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
How do you assume anything, Stanley is a UK born person currently living in Holland but intends to return to the UK later but can't vote.

But much more interestingly you said the people who are living in the UK should be able to vote but EU citizens living in the UK were not allowed to vote, now if you are saying they should be then there could be a good chance that the result of the referendum would be completely different. Excellent idea.
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We shouldn't have any restrictions or checks in place and instead just have a massive free for all.
 
Abizzz said:
... that doesn't address my question at all.
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Unless you fail top understand your own question, it does. If you have lived outside the UK for 15 years or more, and failed to register to vote in that time, then you cant vote. Whether you live in the EU or the rest of the world. That applies to general elections, local elections, European elections and referendums.
 
WensleyMU said:
For again to apply, there would need to be a previous time.
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You still haven't given me a positive of leaving , you've got the EC 1975 vote wrong (we've been through this one about 10 times already on this thread) and you haven't answered my question about EU citizens being able to vote in the referendum since their futures are at stake and are in the UK legally plus the UK citizens living outside the UK who are affected by the decision of the UK to leave so should also have a say.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
You still haven't given me a positive of leaving , you've got the EC 1975 vote wrong (we've been through this one about 10 times already on this thread) and you haven't answered my question about EU citizens being able to vote in the referendum since their futures are at stake and are in the UK legally plus the UK citizens living outside the UK who are affected by the decision of the UK to leave so should also have a say.
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The positives are all subjective and are, frankly unknown because, we haven't left, nor do we have any precedent to look upon. It is also not the responsibility of the voter, but of those in power to promote and deliver the result.

I've not mentioned the 1975 vote except to point out that it was the second largest vote count for a electoral issue in UK history.

The rules over who can vote are long established. They were also challenged and defeated in court prior to the election.,

Further to that, these now desperate after the fact cries are nothing short of embarrassing. Remain was meant to win by a landslide. They had everyone on side while leave had muppets like Johnson, Farage and Banks. Its utterly embarrassing that people are still whining about something they had every conceivable advantage in.
 
WensleyMU said:
The positives are all subjective and are, frankly unknown because, we haven't left, nor do we have any precedent to look upon. It is also not the responsibility of the voter, but of those in power to promote and deliver the result.

I've not mentioned the 1975 vote except to point out that it was the second largest vote count for a electoral issue in UK history.

The rules over who can vote are long established. They were also challenged and defeated in court prior to the election.,

Further to that, these now desperate after the fact cries are nothing short of embarrassing. Remain was meant to win by a landslide. They had everyone on side while leave had muppets like Johnson, Farage and Banks. Its utterly embarrassing that people are still whining about something they had every conceivable advantage in.
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The one thing we can agree on.

Cameron and the Torries abdicated their responsibility to govern and we now are all sliding down the tunnel into a bucket of shit.
 
maybe Wesley is the reincarnation of that "I Believe" guy or whatever he was. All we need now is for him to say "Paul" at the start of every sentence and his transition will be complete.
 
Adisa said:
It's not just prices. It's a domino effect. A 3% fall in house prices will see a considerable number of people defaulting on their mortgages. Where the economy goes from there is anyone's guess.
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I dont get this. My house price fell 15pc at least during the crisis. My mortgage and salary stayed the same so it made no difference. What is your rational behind this thinking?
 
Stanley Road said:
I dont get this. My house price fell 15pc at least during the crisis. My mortgage and salary stayed the same so it made no difference. What is your rational behind this thinking?
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For some people, why continuing to pay a mortgage on a house that has lost a chunk of its value? You have to assume some won't. And in a number of places, the fall in prices will be a lot more than 3%.
 
Adisa said:
It's not just prices. It's a domino effect. A 3% fall in house prices will see a considerable number of people defaulting on their mortgages. Where the economy goes from there is anyone's guess.
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Why would a 3% fall in house prices cause mortgage defaults?
 
WensleyMU said:
It's rather a sad indictment of the world today that it actually winds people up to here something that is demonstrably true, but doesn't fit their own POV.
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I can tell you what is demonstrably true. If we leave the EU without a deal it will effect NI far more than any other part of the current EU. You might be right that they didn't have the right to vote independently to leave the EU but it is also right that the leave voters in Little Britain don't care if leaving the EU has a devastating effect on NI.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It comes down to what you own being less than what you owe. It's called negative equity look it up.
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That doesn't answer the question. Negative equity only really crystallised as an issue when you sell or refinance.
 
Adisa said:
For some people, why continuing to pay a mortgage on a house that has lost a chunk of its value? You have to assume some won't. And in a number of places, the fall in prices will be a lot more than 3%.
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Well they'd be utter idiots and get themselves into trouble then. Given the impact the impact of Brexit, I can't see interest rates going anywhere, even as inflation inevitably goes up.
 
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