it's cute that you still think there might be a deal
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If we don't we are all fecked.it's cute that you still think there might be a deal
Wasnt sure whether to put this in the Gary Neville is dead to me thread or here, but figured if I did put it there, it would just pollute another thread with brexit stuff.
I am not normally one who moans about celebrities (whatever that means) speaking up on current events, but fecking hell. Its only 3% and £240bill?
Yes, the effect on jobs is worrying, but try telling some hard up families who may have been relying on their property going up in value as they near retirement that a drop of any amount is not seismic.
Any family that would struggle with a 3% drop in their house price are already struggling and probably can't really afford that particular house.
He is right that the job losses would have a bigger impact.
Nothing wrong with what he said although i don't know why he bothered saying it. A house price drop benefits more young families than it hits at the other end anyway.
You're misunderstanding what he's trying to say. Jobs are the key, prices are secondary because someone without a job can't afford anything regardless of the price.
Only those with enough liquid capital, to actually capitalise on this.
The usual suspects will clear up the housing market and turn them into rentals.
Just seen the previous page, incredible. 
I sincerely hope @WensleyMU was wuming there for his own sake.
I sincerely hope @WensleyMU was wuming there for his own sake.Millionaire with own hotel, University and Football Club tells people not to worry about a 3% drop in possibly their retirement investment is not a good look imo.
And the 3% overall drop isnt going to come from London or other affluent areas, it, much like the rest of this brexit nonsense is going to hit the harder up areas.
And would a housing drop benefit young families? If we also see a reduction in jobs then there is no guarantee more people will even get on the ladder. All this means is the rich can hoover up more for their portfolios.
Brexit in a nutshell
Yeah, I agree with Gary. House prices create headlines but it might even be a good thing to cool the market down a bit, at least for prospective first time buyers. As far as I can see the drop will occur due to lack of activity as most of the current home owners delay plans until after things become clearer, which is sensible anyhow.
I'm still struggling to believe that Johnson wants to be responsible for a no deal. No matter how he and the press try to spin it, he will get the majority of the blame.
But if that's correct, then his plan is simply to lower expectations so far that any deal will be welcomed by remainers. This seems like a miscalculation to me.
So, what? Just get any brexit done by any means and with any consequences? All to save the tory party? This is bullshit and must be stopped.
But if that's correct, then his plan is simply to lower expectations so far that any deal will be welcomed by remainers. This seems like a miscalculation to me.
So, what? Just get any brexit done by any means and with any consequences? All to save the tory party? This is bullshit and must be stopped.
We're selling at the mo, we had about 5 or 6 asking price offers in the first few days. Several of those were from people who wanted to buy-to-let. We chose a self-employed first-time buyer who lives around the corner (in a rental), who's been trying for ages to find somewhere he could afford. He'd just managed to save enough for the deposit.
We were taking about this last night - if you have a cheaper house to sell and a choice of buyers, choose the person who's desperate to become a first-time homeowner.
He wants to be a historical figure, leaving a legacy for prosperity is far more important to him than any judgement i reckon.
a 3% drop isn't enough tbh, that's like 5 minutes growth in the stupid, stupid, housing market
That may well be so, except of course, on this particular claim.
you're either on a WUM or incredibly thick, I hope for your sake it's the former.
Either way I'm not even going to bother arguing the idea that Ni did not vote to remain because it's so beyond dumb and devoid of logic that you may as well be saying the earth is flat.
Thought you might but what's there to disagree with?
No one gives a shit about your pedantic interpretation of the difference between the people of NI voting remain and the political body voting remain. It was a referendum the former is the relevant factor here.
The house price drop is hardly going to illicit much of a response from those who don't and may never own a home because of the insane over valuation of the housing market.
More so as the market will almost certainly bounce back, as is its nature.
More so as the market will almost certainly bounce back, as is its nature.
As soon as you can demonstrate that Northern Ireland is listed independently as a member of the EU, then I retract my factually correct statement.
It's that simple. People are free to delude themselves however they like, but reality makes no allowance for delusion.
There's a reason I have specifically referred to Norther Ireland, the country, not the people of Northern Ireland.
What about e.g. general elections, do you also think it's pointless to look at voting patterns by region?
Personally I think it's interesting to see which parts of Denmark vote predominantly for one party. So what's wrong with saying that the majority of NI voted to remain?
Alternatively the UK could grant independence to the East and West Midlands and the UK would vote for Remain.
This is an incredibly pointless distinction.
A GE is very different from the EU referendum. The issue is the media have tried to portray it as a GE, which people have fallen for.
We did not vote for local representatives. There were no candidates to elect. We voted on a binary issue and only as citizens of the United Kingdom.
We voted as one nation. The United Kingdom. A vote from Northern Ireland carried as much weight as one from Grimsby, was listed as one of either leave, or remain.
So you don't think it's interesting to look at voting patterns across geography?
wtf has it got to do with Gary anyway, he talks bollocks on Sky, why should be taking financial advice from him?
Of course it's interesting.
However that's isn't what's being discussed here. The issue is whether the country of Northern Ireland voted to remain. It didn't, it was never asked, Northern Ireland is not a member of the EU. It's membership comes as part of being in the UK. If that changes, then it wouldn't be in the EU until it applied or reunified with Ireland, similar to German unification.
Well no actually because the UK has no right to define the citizenship of those born in northern ireland. They are a unique group in these discussions because of their unique citizenship as such it is entirely relevant to discuss their voting pattern separately.
If this is true why were British citizens living abroad denied a vote !?
That's cute but it completely ignores the practical politics of it. The fact is, whether specific constituencies were remain or leave is extremely important - look at Labour's contortions as an example. Look at how the Scots Nats are feeding off the result. You can try to ignore the realities of how the votes were distributed on the ground, but you won't get very far.
First you attack the poster then you cant even understand his point.
I have no doubt various nationalists will use this to push their agendas. But then they would use just about anything to push their nationalist agendas wouldn't they?
Nor is there anything wrong with breaking the vote down to assess the result. How different regions voted, different counties, different genders, different age groups. Nothing at all wrong with it. However making the incorrect claim that X country voted to remain or leave is just demonstrably and factually untrue.
Are you alright with me saying "the people of NI voted to remain"?
We cant vote on anything after a certain time away. I cant even vote in the GE in Holland, anywhere in the world in fact.
That would be correct. Just as stating the people of London voted to remain is also correct.
Alright, so in which world is it an actual country and not its people entering the voting booth?
I would assume these people had lived outside the UK for over 15 years, some might have possibly been born abroad to UK parents and have never lived here. It's a tough one, I guess but if you have lived away for such a long time, then should you really be able to dictate the views of the people still living there?
When said country isn't asked as its own independent nation. It's hardly rocket science is it?
The exact words on the ballot were "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There were two options, Remain a member of the European Union, Leave the European Union.