But that doesn't change what I just said, you seem to argue something but when it's pointed out why that isn't the case you switch it up by changing to something else. You seem to not want to admit when something is right and just dismiss it and move on to something else.
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But that doesn't change what I just said, you seem to argue something but when it's pointed out why that isn't the case you switch it up by changing to something else. You seem to not want to admit when something is right and just dismiss it and move on to something else.
Sovereignty was just a meaningless soundbite from the Leave campaign.
It is quite frankly hilarious how many people make a huge deal out of being directly elected or appointed by elected people. In Germany every political key figure including the chancellor and the 16 ministers on state level are appointed (the chancellor by the elected parliament and the ministers indirectly by the chancellor). This is the only practical way to really work with democracy as otherwise we would have elections twice a month or so. This does not mean they are untouchable either. If there is enough public pressure none of them are safe.
If the pound could stop falling in value now, that'd be grand. 
Can you develop a little bit on that?
Exactly.
English speaking countries too. Not like those horrible foreign speaking countries.
Countries like Canada... that already had a free trade agreement with the EU.
Okay, countries like Australia... That wanted us to stay in the EU, and now has had renewed calls to leave the commonwealth
Or countries like America... that is currently undergoing the final stages of a (much maligned) trade deal with the EU
Damn
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The main problem is that the EU works like almost all the countries member of the EU, which is logic since they are the ones who built it. It's democratic at London or Paris but undemocratic at Brussels or Strasbourg.
If the pound could stop falling in value now, that'd be grand.
Don't worry, the pound will only start falling properly when the person who's unenviable task it is actually presses the red self-destruct button i.e. article 50. Trouble is no-one wants the job.
That's a guess.
To be fair, most of the leave posters I've seen are about immigration. I only did a quick 1min google image search but I remember seeing one with loads of words and immigration in big bold letters. It was one of the flagship arguments for leave.
Or India, or New Zealand, both countries that wanted us to stay in the EU too.
Wait..... hang on.... all the countries we're free to do business with wanted us to stay in the EU?!????
TURKEY
(Population - Doesn't fecking matter)
IS NOT JOINING THE EU
(Population - Doesn't fecking matter)
IS NOT JOINING THE EU
I'm explaining to you why I voted to leave - not why other people who I don't know voted to leave - and it wasn't anything to do with what certain people associated with the leave campaign were peddling. I've not once denied that some people voted based on immigration and free movement but here's the rub - that wasn't why I voted the way I did. And to be perfectly honest, it's not why a lot of other leavers I know voted the way they did. Surely that's not too hard to understand?
I think there's been a misunderstanding and we're talking at cross purposes.
This is worse than I thought. Unemployment hits 20 million. Starving children wander the streets. Marauding zombies eat the children. Aliens abduct the zombies..
When the dust settles, I think you'll find that very few companies have relocated.
So you voted leave to have the right to strike deals that you were already able to strike?
You'll be in for a surprise then.
The Queen, House of Lords, the prime minister and the entire cabinet are no different from most EU institutions ito democratic legitimacy. The main issue with the EU is the lack of knowledge about it and the fact that it operates on such a large scale that it's easy for populists to depict it as some sort of dictatorship.
"Take back control" only applies to UK politicians, the voters have no more control over their laws inside or outside the EU.
Edit: I'm not arguing with you btw, just agreeing with you.
I'll think I'll go back to the original point made months ago - 99% of people had no idea what they were actually voting for in the referendum
It's generally thought that it would be easier to negotiate trade deals outside the EU than being in it. Some interesting reading for you:
http://moneyweek.com/the-uks-potential-new-trade-agreements/
No way, there's a lot of stupid people in the UK but that figure is ridiculous. It would be more like 20-25 per cent imo.
That's why I don't blame the voters, I have the books and had to learn about it but I blame the politicians and some experts who are lying on very basic topics who are not even subject to subjectivity.
I'm not sure. It might be.
Of course if we were still in the EU , then we could have stopped it with our Veto.
Instead we are joining the EEA were we dont have a veto, but still have to accept unlimited access.
Oh well.
The article doesn't say that it will be easier, just that some countries are eager to renew the agreements that they already have, the one interesting point is South Korea that's a good market, the rest are just leaders saying that they want to continue to trade with the UK which will require negotiations since some of the trades were EU trades.
Also if you want access to the EU free market, you will have to comply to the rules of that market, so be careful when you renegotiate with some of the countries, maybe some negotiators are on the Caf.
MoneyWeek is massively Eurosceptic though.
http://moneyweek.com/why-were-backing-brexit/
I'm not saying they're wrong, but they do just tend to write down every single opinion possible and celebrate when they eventually get something right,
I meant to put 90% but it's not just stupid people but people who did no or hardly any research into the matter and just based their opinions on assumptions or what they'd been convinced into believing by the politicians or the media.
And half of the "new" agreements aren't even new or easy.
It's not. I'm amazed that people keep telling me it probably is, when I know for a fact that it's not even fit to be a candidate right now and that the idea was only really floated to appease Turkey in taking back the refugees. Not to mention that I don't see any real support for membership within Turkey itself.
The use of Turkey in the referendum campaigns was disgraceful.
The "experts" have been predicting a recession in 2017 for a few years now...and nothing to do with a Brexit either, so you may be in for one whether we leave or not. Whole load more articles out there too.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/071515/6-factors-point-global-recession-2016.asp
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/15/a-recession-worse-than-2008-is-coming-commentary.html
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/09/global-recession-two-years-likely-economist-buiter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moynihan/the-coming-recession-of-2017_b_5797688.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/92-change-of-a-recession-in-3-years-jp-morgan-says-2016-2
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2015/11/24/global-economic-forecast-2016-2017/#202bfad543f4
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No, I doubt they will be allowed to join for a while. Austria will want it's own referendum if they do join.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-EU-Turkey-member-bid-Brussels-European-Union
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They've completed 1 of 35 articles, in 11 years. Once they eventually complete all 35 and it goes to a vote they'll be veto'd by Cyprus, France and Germany at the very least. They're nowhere near to being eligible for the vote, let alone getting in.
It really isn't beyond the realms of possibility
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2015/20151110_report_turkey.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union
No one is talking a quick time frame
Maybe. It depends what EU we are talking about. The one we have now or the one we have in 15 years time.
Ta! All sorted now. (Looked ok when I wrote it too. In that case why do anything because who knows where we will be in 15 years time? It's completely pointless to say. You go from all the evidence you have available to you right now.
fall out - no leaders left
If anything it should be harder in the future, the EU will add new laws and rules, the UN might too.
The only thing to take from that article is this - it's more posturing over the potential admission of Turkey into the EU, something that isn't happening i.e. the article is redundant.
It's not happening.
People can keep telling me it is or could do until they're blue in the face. I'll invariably be in a better position to refute the idea.
Depends how desperate the power mongers in Brussels get.
Depends how desperate the power mongers in Brussels get.
It's typically one of the things that isn't in the hands of Brussels and by Brussels I mean the technocratic part.