I suspect she's a fashionista in the same way that a nursing home carer describes the only woman wearing a coat that hasn't been shat on by a cat, and who occasionally brushes her hair as 'quite the fashionista'.
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I suspect she's a fashionista in the same way that a nursing home carer describes the only woman wearing a coat that hasn't been shat on by a cat, and who occasionally brushes her hair as 'quite the fashionista'.
Who voted what is on here so feel free.
If you don't get that people are torn from their families chasing the money because they have to, then you don't get it.
People have always worked abroad. My company is made up of 90% foreigners, most from outside the eu. So why is FOM for people any use as a freedom?
Because without it many of those who get to live and work abroad tend to come from better off families, while the poorest kids don't get the same opportunities. And yes if you like you can quote some examples of how a poor kid went and worked somewhere outside the EU, but its a much higher barrier of entry and does restrict opportunity. Just like how poor kids occasionally still went to university in the past, but it was a lot fecking rarer than it was for rich kids.
Interesting reading. My MP, Derek Twigg (Lab, Halton) appears to be one of the few MPs that goes against the Labour grain on almost every vote recently but I'm not sure if that does or doesn't reflect the constituents. I don't know a great deal about the guy, just that he's been around for decades and he got a 72.9% share of the votes at the last GE. I'm sure my Corbyn supporting Mum goes on about him being a Blairite. I'm going to do some digging. I know that hes got a stranglehold on things locally in the areas that make up Halton so that he keeps his spot and has supporting voices in all the right places.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. I was born and raised in Greece, where my extended family lives, whereas I've been in the UK for 18 years now. But I'm sure I don't get the pains and benefits of making a life abroad and you're in a better position to tell me
People are not "torn" form their families. They're not abducted. They chose to leave and it's a freedom they enjoy. It's not rocket science. People have always worked abroad but they have not always had the freedom to work abroad. If they did there wouldn't be boat loads of people drowning in the Med every year trying to illegally make their way to a new, better life.
If you can't understand and acknowledge the benefits of free movement you're too detached from reality to debate with really. Have a nice day.
Well yeah maybe, why be bog cleaner in your home country when you can clean bogs abroad?
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. I was born and raised in Greece, where my extended family lives, whereas I've been in the UK for 18 years now. But I'm sure I don't get the pains and benefits of making a life abroad and you're in a better position to tell me
People are not "torn" form their families. They're not abducted. They chose to leave and it's a freedom they enjoy. It's not rocket science. People have always worked abroad but they have not always had the freedom to work abroad. If they did there wouldn't be boat loads of people drowning in the Med every year trying to illegally make their way to a new, better life.
If you can't understand and acknowledge the benefits of free movement you're too detached from reality to debate with really. Have a nice day.
Right ok, sorry that me drawing on real people that have actually said real things to me in real life has narked you.
If cleaning bogs abroad let's you earn money you can then use to improve your life and the lives of your kids and give them better opportunities than you had, then why exactly is that a bad thing?
Our constituency has always been safe Labour but it has gone to another level under Twigg. From the six elections he has been in, he got a majority of over 50% in 3, with the smallest one being 37.5% back in 2010.
He posts on his website sometimes about Brexit. You can read the last couple of updates here and here (in the second one he mentions why he votes against another referendum).
There isn't going to be that sort of majority for any of the potential Brexits or remain options. However, the indicative votes do show possible paths for a compromise that might achieve a majority. I don't think it is helpful at all to dismiss all the indicative votes as pointless simply because there was no majority. I mean is a majority of 1 that much more indicative than a narrow defeat of 3?
Presumably you apply the same logic to the referendum result? We should have required 75% for Brexit to go ahead?
I'd only do that as a 3rd option not a replacement. I'm not convinced Tories wouldn't abandon CU with that pegged, hopefully they're getting the numbers sorted today ahead of tomorrow.
Only the goverment can solve this mess in truth. They could change path to one of these options and that would be that. Unfortunately parliament can't say let's just go with the most favoured
For all the effort it takes, email your MP because you can guarantee the hard brexiteers do.
Because you may not want to leave your homeland or family, is that so hard to understand? And if bog cleaners are in desperate shortage in a particular land, the hiring company will do all the paperwork for you so you can work legally. It's like some people have never worked with anyone outside of the EU.
I can envisage the adverts for bog cleaners post Brexit.
Guaranteed £30k wage but your family can't accompany you unless they can earn at least as much.
You can't really compare those two things.
I sent an email earlier this morning. My MP is a Tory that rejected all four options. Don't expect him to do anything, but figured it can't do no harm.
She has always been known for her (relatively) daring shoes, she favours leopard-skin prints and patent boots. I don't think the old Theresa would have worn a zip-up fleece coat over and over again.There aren't enough bog cleaners worldwide to clean that shithole up
Have I missed some story about people being forced to emigrate to work abroad? Last I checked it was a choice.
You reckon youngsters in Grimsby or small mining towns in Yorkshire get a lot of people telling them about the great opportunities working outside the EU and facillitating their chances of doing it? It's bollocks. Back before the EU, the vast bulk of people working abroad were people from middle class or higher backgrounds who had the money to make that happen. Since the EU came along with freedom of movement there's been a ton of working class kids realizing living and working in other countries doesn't have to just be a fantasy. Personally I'm gutted that future generations of kids might never get that opportunity. But hey, the Tory MP's and their membership in the home counties probably won't struggle so I guess that's just fine.
She'll probably be living in an old caravan down by the Humber and cashing in her pension for scratch cards if she keeps this up.
I mean you've literally just described how parliament works to pass all legislation.
Of course you can
Fair point.
Didn't realise you were local to me! I checked out his Twitter and he seems to be engaged in matters I'd expect of a Labour MP but literally no mention of Brexit. I'll take a look at those updates on his website now.
Edit : I didn't check the results on how Halton voted but can see in the latest update he says it was Leave majority. What were the exact figures?
How anyone can look at that and their first instinct be to blame Labour is beyond me.
Remain: 27,678 (42.6%)
Leave: 37,327 (57.4%)
I was in St. Helens at the time but now back in Widnes (Halton). The voting was pretty firmly leave around most of the North West except for Liverpool, Manchester and a few other constituencies.
268 voted in the referendum motion
261 in the Norway motion
270 in the revoke motion
273 in the customs union motion
So there is over 40 conservative MPs not voting... Presumably a large part of that is the cabinet being told to abstain?
As brexiteers continually say it is a remain / soft brexit cabinet then the logic is perhaps if they were given a free vote there would be a majority... But whilst may still wants to try to push her deal through that simply won't be allowed
'I believe a second referendum could be very divisive and to date I have not seen a significant shift of opinion in Halton against leaving the EU.'
I wonder where he is getting this from? When I've been to local CLP meetings/votes and Derek Twigg has been there, the average age has been well over 65 and it's very cliquey. The young people that do go are met with hostility/challenge and I've frankly been disgusted with it all. I'm therefore not surprised that Twigg's been asking his mates what they think about a second vote and they've not changed their minds.
Not saying I support a second vote either, just that for him to say he's not seen a significant shift is interesting as I've not been asked and I've got an idea who has been.
Interesting. Guess he's going from the calls/emails he gets and they're probably mostly people wanting Brexit to happen.
Looks that way! I'm Widnes too, Halton View massive!
Head of civil service warns ministers of dire impact of leaving EU without deal
I wouldn’t be opposed to a General Strike right about now to attempt to force the government to withdraw A50.
I grew up near Peel House. Not far away at all.
If one wants to honour the vote then yes, it's kind of always been the case unless the EU want to undermine themselves for one country so to speak.
EU have put up a very strong position and have left options of calling the whole thing off, the option of a soft brexit which is actually is worse than staying a full member and utterly pointless or agreeing to a WA and getting hammered in the trade negotiations and becoming trapped in limbo.
The only way is to leave on a no deal and hope we can recover and ride the hit and there's pressure from other EU countries to make a trade deal.
EU don't want any kind of favourable deal as it could lead to more leaving. They were never going to help us leaving.
While I'm in favour of remaining a full member, we've been a stick in the mud for a while. EU are always calling for deeper integration of the policies. Is there a chance in 5-10 years UK might have to leave anyway? UK has always favoured the EU just being an economic trade area. Is the UK best off starting now rather than leaving in 10 years?
As I have mentioned before he is simply a puppet who can bend and sway to the tune he is given.
The power base, if you can call it that rests with the leaders of Momentum. They have Jeremy in a vice like grip and as soon as they have done with him he will be kicked into touch.
Nevertheless, the Conservatives are significantly worse in that since they were able to dispense with the Liberals they have progressively show their true nasty divisions and self interest.
The traditional two party system is badly broken as is politics in general.
What we desperately need is either the emergence of a plausible alternative or better still a real strong leader who is able to pull either party together and give the country back it's sense of purpose.
Neither seem likely but we cannot give up hope.
On the first bolded statement, that only applies to EU members. Switzerland and Norway don't have to accept deeper integration. UK got an exception to that as well.
On the second bolded, what we're seeing now is a rejection of staying in the trade area that the UK allegedly always wanted to be in. Because, if you hear the ERG talk, there's more opportunities for the UK outside of it and it can strike better deals for itself without the weight of the EU28 behind it. The treaty of Rome in 1957 that started was about creating a common market and customs union. Yet now the UK wants to leave even that.
If the UK wants to be in the Customs Union alone, or the Single Market fully, it can choose to do that without a deeper integration. But being in any kind of union means that you're not in full control of your trade policy. It's a group decision. And after years of filling the ears of voters with hate and suspicion of the EU as well as inflating our own self-importance, we're reaping what we sowed. Which is that people want out as point of moral principle that is not underpinned by any logic.
I am now at the stage ten days then hard brexit, if the leavers are right and everything will be hunky dory then they can say told you so and if it all goes tits up then they can reap what they sowed.
On another note but related to Brexit the local office for foreigners sent me paperwork regarding getting an Aufenthaltstitel so that I can live and work in Germany.
On another note but related to Brexit the local office for foreigners sent me paperwork regarding getting an Aufenthaltstitel so that I can live and work in Germany.
I can speak Bristolian. Nobody can understand that.