Sounds like remaining in the EU would be a better idea and they could have a vote and don't need Norway's permission.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Sounds like remaining in the EU would be a better idea and they could have a vote and don't need Norway's permission.
Nonsense, and the baltic states along with Poland are the prime examples of how open borders can have a significant positive spillover effect on the home economy in multiple ways.
Voting now...
Suspect we might actually get a majority for at least one option today...
Suspect we might actually get a majority for at least one option today...
With the largest party abstaining though, it matters little.
Nothing new there then.
Huh? I thought May gave them a free vote and only the main cabinet were required to abstain?
I don't understand the question of common market 2.0 because that would mean we just voted to have our lip zipped, we will have no voice and no veto on EU matters regardless of free movement and common market, etc. Can't we just revoke article 50 and just remain in the EU.
I think that’s the preferred choice from EU perspective, less ultra right wingers in the parliament that have no intention on improving the current apparatus and are just there to oppose and disturb.
You're right, my bad.
The cabinet ministers are 22, including the PM. So if one of the proposals is going to make a compelling case then the Yays need to outnumber the Nays by at least that much I guess.
As much as I agree with you and it makes no sense, politically they can get away with that as an option as they will say that we don't have to follow EU laws any more and can make our own - only laws pertaining to trade will need to be followed.
While abstaining sounds like a completely stupid thing to do at this stage I assume it is to get Mrs May WA back on the table.
Not sure what's wrong with what he said?
I'm not an avid reader of this thread, but I have noticed that you seem to take every possible opportunity to attack labour.
Jesus fecking christ...
I have been attacking Tories just as much. Corbyn's (impossible) deal is not on the table. Labour unfortunately are led by an idiot.
Whereas the Tories are really coming through unscathed on this thread, bravo.
This whole brexit fiasco is a tory mess from start to finish.
I disagree that Corbyn is an idiot, but if that's your opinion then so be it. I really do fail to see however, how his level of idiocy comes even close to that of a long list of tories.
Because the WA put forward by the EU is all that is available.
No, it's not.
The EU have long said that if we are prepared to drop May's red lines, then the WA can of course be reopened.
No it wasn’t. It was the only one available because of Theresa May’s self imposed red lines. That’s all.
Did he also ask those who signed up for it what is their solution to border in the Ireland?Very few of the politicians will come out of this mess with any credit.
Maybe the whole thing was started by the Tories and most of them have been hopeless.
There are many reasons why I say it but one of the reasons is that the deal he wants is impossible, that it has been rejected already 3 times by parliament and not even selected today and still criticises May for the WA which is feasible and could actually achieve something. It can't achieve cancelling Brexit but Corbyn doesn't want to cancel Brexit.
Dropping the 'red lines' kind of pointless, it essentially means we leave the EU in name only. May's 'red lines' allow us to appease the xenophobes who voted for Brexit*, while limiting the economic damage of leaving the CU and SM.
Ultimately this is going to be a choice between remain or a no deal brexit, given May's deal is dead.
*Disclaimer: I know not everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobe, but May's track record has proven she is and the ERG pressure group are, and I am sure there are plenty of people, who when it comes down to it would prefer to hear fewer foreign languages on our streets.
Regarding the thread title, it's not actually preferential voting, is it? It's straight ayes v noes?
Love to know what a 'Managed No Deal' involves. Is it just slightly more organised chaos??
Well that I can agree with. But my point was that I can't blame Corbyn for that position, when essentially as you say, the only other two options are no deal or no brexit. Taking a no brexit position would have hurt Labour more, in the short term at least.
Someone should organise a team of people to follow Farage around and speak to him non-stop in all different foreign languages - that should p!ss him off a little. Any volunteers?
Labour is a no brexit party, if it's the Tories doing the brexit. They could put Labour's exact 'deal' to the House and I have a feeling Corbyn would still have Labour vote against it. Corbyn just wants to be a thorn in the side.
idk i just copied the reddit thread
Its chaos with a nicer name.
I can't, tbh.It’s the sunny uplands that the EU said no to repeatedly and warned were a complete fantasy as recently as last week.
And that's what makes him an idiot, in your eyes?
I still haven't heard a sensible solution for the Irish border in a No Deal scenario.
Managed no deal is the British clean coal. Absolute nonsense.
Labour's political opportunism has been terrible, trying to spin a general election. The SNP just as bad, trying to get another Indy Ref. Then you have the Tories, who have until now been pretty insular in their approach to Brexit and have done little to inspire confidence in the opposition benches.
I also like how a second referendum is now being labelled a ‘confirmatory ballot.’
"Technology and stuff" is about the height of it.