Her final offer - her resignation. Poisoned chalice though so not sure it's a reason to vote for her deal.
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Imagine being such a stubborn old cnut that you are prepared to say "I know you all hate me because of what I want but I promise I will definitely feck off if you just give me what I want"
Is it going to persuade the DUP though?
Cheers, should give a bit more light on people's fall back options.
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Thanks. I tried to read up on it but I still don't really see a meaningful difference between Clarke's and Corbyn's proposals. Corbyn's talks about a close alignment with the single market which is very vague.
And then there's the option suggesting EEA/EFTA membership without customs union - that would run into the Irish border problem again, wouldn't it?
No. Should get a few of the ERG types to vote for it though (assuming there is a vote on it).
Her level of shithousery makes Mark Van Bommel jealous.
I know you want me to leave because you can't stand the deal which I've negotiated, so I promise to leave so long as you accept my deal
This.
Other words she's getting out of dodge. No one will really want to take charge of this mess.,despite what Corbyn keeps saying.
Corbyn wants the UK to be able to do their own deals while being in the customs union which is not possible
Corbyn wants to have the benefits of the single market without the 4 freedoms, again not possible.
Clarke's is too vague, no detail.
And yes without the customs union it doesn't solve the Irish problem.
None of them solve the problems.
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What do you make of the options?
I don't want her deal to go through if the ERG get to negotiate the next phase of the process.
Honestly, I don't know. I don't really understand the context, EU member states have officially no intention to negotiate with the UK so all options that require a negotiation seem pointless and some of them don't even fix the issues.
Well said Chukka.
Well said.
Is that a blanket refusal or just based on May's 'red lines'?
It's based on the UK parliament unable to agree on anything that is sensible after two years, including May's red lines. The transition period was supposed to end Friday and they are still talking nonsense.
Kate Hoey admitted that her seat was largely in favour of remain but that she was against that would be undemocratic. WTF.
Isn't she an elected representative of those people?
Exactly. She should vote for the people who elected her. How can she talk about democracy if she doesn't uphold the opinion of those who elected her.
This isn't a good argument unless you want those in leave seats to have to vote for Brexit, and as there were more leave constituencies...
Yeah, exactly. I'd rather an MP did what they think is right.
It's all about the DUP now. Will they also cave. I assume not...
Who the hell would trust May to be honest about this?
That's how I read it. If one doesn't want No Deal, and doesn't want May's deal, then the best alternative is Revoke, as the other alternatives, in the unlikely event they could be negotiated, don't seem to hold any advantage over Revoke anyway.
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They admit that they are going against their constituents. Standing up and talking about democracy while voting against the people who voted for you is the height of hypocrisy.
saying that I know that I am voting against my constituents but this matter is too important is a view I can get behind.
For full disclosure, I hate Kate Hoey and will find any reason to pull her up.
Why would the Tories care about silly little things like health care, education and housing?
Democracy is indirect. You representing the people isn't the same as doing every single thing they want. If I'm elected to parliament and suddenly find out my constituents want something I disagree with, I'm not (even morally) obliged to entertain it. I would say the exception to this is if that particular issue was part of the pledge I made when presenting myself as an option for them to vote on.
So if I promised my people I would vote for the death penalty then I should do so. If that wasn't discussed when I was elected then I'm not going to do it just because a poll or referendum says the majority of my constituents want it.
Like Angela Eagles. No nonsense.
What about L? Revoke A50.
The best alternative really isn't what you prefer though, it's whatever position is a sufficient compromise. Clarke's amendment is fine and isn't anywhere close to being unnegotiable.
I want us to remain but revoke is a pathetic solution unless it's to investigate better alternatives.
I mean on amendment/option M.
Can't believe so many have voted for it.
It's just asking the public if they agree with the WA - or not. What happens if they don't?
As a member of the EEA ?