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Not sure about that. If one of the amendments does get a majority (big if) I cannot see the EU not being prepared to discuss it if it is capable of ending this nightmare for both sides.
Boris Johnson will now stick a knife in the back of the PM.
This is utter BS, all about the Tory Party, never about the country. May is delusional if she thinks she will be remembered as someone who made a sacrifice, these Brexiteers don’t give a toss on who suffers to reach their goals.
None of the amendments that requires negotiation fix a single thing.
What indeed.
I believe that the majority of MP'S now realise that some compromise has to happen; or am I that deluded...
Oh look and meetings between Banks, Wigmore and DUP, coincidental of course!
Indeed.
Not sure on the maths - if the DUP agreed to abstain and the ERG/hard Brexiteers voted in favour of the WA, do we think that it gets through?
(putting aside for one moment the problem of getting past Bercow)
What really gets me is that we're nearly 3 years from the referendum and after all this time the best parliament ,and I mean the whole of parliament of all persuasions, can come up with are these alternatives which are either not possible or do not solve any problems. It's time they all grew up.
For Clarke's amendment to be a compromise then Leavers would have to see some advantage in it, and I can't see that they would, I think it will get zero support from Leavers. I accept it might be a next best for Remainers, but that's not a compromise. If you are right however, and I am wrong, it will get some support from Leavers. We'll see
Still a number of Tories who will vote against and a small number of DUP. Moderate Tories will be aware what lays in store with a extreme brexiteer taking over.
It's basically a prelude to the Kyle-Wilson amendment, which puts the WA up against remaining in a referendum.
For Clarke's amendment to be a compromise then Leavers would have to see some advantage in it, and I can't see that they would, I think it will get zero support from Leavers. I accept it might be a next best for Remainers, but that's not a compromise. If you are right however, and I am wrong, it will get some support from Leavers. We'll see
I think the single market might be equally important, without it doesn't solve the Irish border problem.
Why am I watching a clock on this live stream?
OK. Both sides can either sit there staring at each other or try something different.
The EU has continued to as the UK for what it wants and not what it doesn't want.
At least this attempts to get to that position.
Are these folks especially incompetent or have they just been forced to deal with an especially difficult political issue that previous generations of politicians would've fecked up similarly? I'm not at all surprised that they've handled this so badly but I've no idea whether that's just because I've been born into a few generations of shit politicians.
What's the story with the clock on the streams?
The Tories aren't going to allow a referendum and this amendment only applies to this Tory parliament.
The chamber will be empty for 30 minutes while the MPs vote.
That's the thing, that's not different.
Ah, I should've been able to work that out really. Cheers
No. I think that the whole issue is almost a perfect storm for division and difficulty.
Leaving the EU was always going to be mega difficult and almost uniquely divisive.
It has been handed appallingly badly but apart from Mrs Thatcher l cannot think of an era when it would not have been similarly catastrophic.
That’s a good question. No idea what the answer is.
Right. I've a lot of time for Clarke though, pity he's pretty past it, he might have turned the referendum in the first place.
So when was this last done as part of the Brexit process.
The tomfoolery started before the referendum, mind you. Cameron’s decision to have the referendum in the first place, to appease a bunch of cnuts like UKIP, was a historically stupid decision.
When I was younger I wasn't too keen on him but he's one of the few I have got time for. Maybe that means the standard of politician has diminished so much .
Oh he tried very hard to make people see sense. However too many people thought he was just an old fuddy duddy who was stuck in the past.
The negotiations should have all been handled by the senior civil servants, who are a constant presence and are extremely skilled. It's now turned into a party political issue, which shouldn't have happened.
The options are the same discussed by the government with the EU, all of them have an obvious problem, they don't fix the border issue. This isn't different it's just an attempt to delay and muddle things a little bit more.
For Clarke's amendment to be a compromise then Leavers would have to see some advantage in it, and I can't see that they would, I think it will get zero support from Leavers. I accept it might be a next best for Remainers, but that's not a compromise. If you are right however, and I am wrong, it will get some support from Leavers. We'll see
From parliament or the public? I agree with regard to parlaiment but the leave voting public may be satisfied.
Maybe I'm just thinking if we're unhappy they should be too
God help us if this charlatan becomes Prime Minister! What a joke, let’s hope this is prevented!
From parliament or the public? I agree with regard to parlaiment but the leave voting public may be satisfied.
Maybe I'm just thinking if we're unhappy they should be too
The moment May agrees to step down (thereby offering him a potential route to the job he craves) he miraculously decides he can suddenly support her deal.
What a surprise.
What a clown. Confirms that this last 3-6months has all been a big charade. Im sure the Honda workers will be so glad he stuck to his guns long enough for them to lose their jobs.
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Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Did the civil service have more influence in the past?