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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Honestly, it doesn't matter what Corbyn's spokesperson would have come out with, some of you would have hated it regardless.

How could he be more effective as an opposition leader? The electorate isn't sliced down the middle these days. Conservative leave, Conservative remain, Labour leave and Labour remain. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. As May is finding, there isn't a majority for almost anything and that view is reflected in the people as well. Thinking one person could unite everyone at this point in time is naive I feel! He'd honestly do better ducking and diving this whole thing until the Tories finally drive straight in to the wall.
 
The government consists of such terrible politicians. In terms of quality, intelligence, humility. Clarke is a bigot, but he's still a different class to them. Embarrassing state of affairs.
 
Sassy Colin said:
And if you don't accept the agreement, then what? No deal? Revoke A50?
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Exactly, there's only no deal left.

This is the amendment:
That this House will not allow in this Parliament the implementation and ratification of any withdrawal agreement and any framework for the future relationship unless and until they have been approved by the people of the United Kingdom in a confirmatory public vote
 
Ady87 said:
Honestly, it doesn't matter what Corbyn's spokesperson would have come out with, some of you would have hated it regardless.

How could he be more effective as an opposition leader? The electorate isn't sliced down the middle these days. Conservative leave, Conservative remain, Labour leave and Labour remain. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. As May is finding, there isn't a majority for almost anything and that view is reflected in the people as well. Thinking one person could unite everyone at this point in time is naive I feel! He'd honestly do better ducking and diving this whole thing until the Tories finally drive straight in to the wall.
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Sick of hearing this. If Corbyn offered meaningful opposition to Brexit beyond "Labour would get a better deal out of the negotiation if you let us have a general election" I would support him, at least on this matter. The fact is he seems to think he can renegotiate a withdrawal agreement that the other negotiating party has categorically stated on numerous occasions that they won't renegotiate and this is the only agreement on offer. What's more, he seems to think (assuming a GE was done and won tomorrow) he would be able to do what the current government did in two years, in two weeks. It makes no logical sense whatsoever.
 
Pexbo said:
Have to agree with this.

The only really palatable timeline is a second referendum and remain winning by a clear and decisive margin.
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Firstly its undemocratic and secondly considering the last few years in this country a MP was murder, a man drove into a crowd of muslims hoping to kill the london mayor and the labour leader and Pro EU MPs have been constantly getting death threads. Simply stopping brexit and carrying on as it never happened is
well rather dangerous/
Massive Spanner said:
Not thinking straight was having a referendum on such a ambiguous, non-binding question that most people don't understand to the public in the first place. Giving it to them again solves nothing. Revoking is by far the most sensible option.
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Agree why let people vote at all. :wenger:

Berbaclass said:
Why am I not thinking straight? We should just continue the status quo until there is an actual plan etc. anything else is just counter productive.
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Unless I'm wrong the motion just say - To revoke Article 50 in the event of no deal, it doesn't mentioned anything about carrying on the process. Plus there won't be a plan because theres isn't the votes for one, everyone has a different view on what Brexit is. The Beckett motion is the best of the bunch and most democratic answer to what we are facing.
 
Ady87 said:
Honestly, it doesn't matter what Corbyn's spokesperson would have come out with, some of you would have hated it regardless.

How could he be more effective as an opposition leader? The electorate isn't sliced down the middle these days. Conservative leave, Conservative remain, Labour leave and Labour remain. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. As May is finding, there isn't a majority for almost anything and that view is reflected in the people as well. Thinking one person could unite everyone at this point in time is naive I feel! He'd honestly do better ducking and diving this whole thing until the Tories finally drive straight in to the wall.
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No-one is suggesting he could unite the entire country. But he's relied on remainer support while offering little more than scraps on the basis the Tories are even worse. No surprise that remainers are increasingly unhappy about it.
 
Got to love some of the creatures that's call in to 5Live this morning.

Caller One "It's simple. We just need to go. 5th biggest economy in the world we don't need the EU. We just need to leave, it's not difficult. That's what people voted for".

Caller Two "I have three family members who voted leave and they all did it for different reasons"

Caller One (butting in) "Why are we even discussing this? We won and they lost. People voted to just GO, and that's the truth"

Caller Two "My concern is that during the referendum it was clear what Remain meant, but Leave had no real definable outcome so people voted for what they thought would be the result, not what it was guaranteed to be"

Caller One "But it was clear. They voted to JUST GO."

Caller Two "But there was no full consensus, it was more of a promise that was put forward which persuaded some pe-"

Caller Three "DONT TELL ME WHY I VOTED I KNOW WHY I VOTED"

And so forth.
 
A logistics question here, is the speaker of the house of commons not allowed to have a break? I never see him leave his seat for the entire day...
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Got to love some of the creatures that's call in to 5Live this morning.

Caller One "It's simple. We just need to go. 5th biggest economy in the world we don't need the EU. We just need to leave, it's not difficult. That's what people voted for".

Caller Two "I have three family members who voted leave and they all did it for different reasons"

Caller One (butting in) "Why are we even discussing this? We won and they lost. People voted to just GO, and that's the truth"

Caller Two "My concern is that during the referendum it was clear what Remain meant, but Leave had no real definable outcome so people voted for what they thought would be the result, not what it was guaranteed to be"

Caller One "But it was clear. They voted to JUST GO."

Caller Two "But there was no full consensus, it was more of a promise that was put forward which persuaded some pe-"

Caller Three "DONT TELL ME WHY I VOTED I KNOW WHY I VOTED"

And so forth.
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At least you know the UK is in safe hands.
 
0le said:
A logistics question here, is the speaker of the house of commons not allowed to have a break? I never see him leave his seat for the entire day...
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There's a hole in the bottom for when you need to take a shit. Major used to use it as well when nobody was looking.
 
Sassy Colin said:
I think it would be a forgone conclusion on this Forum.

In fact, if there was a 2nd referendum, I think that would be foregone conclusion too.
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Yeah but I'm talking yes or no on all 8 options. Some of the options are nuanced and not everybody would vote the same way on all 8 options.

Personally I want to remain but after that I want the weakest Brexit that we can get.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Most people on here are only interested in 1 option though.
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Yeah but we aren't necessarily going to get that. If we don't what would people accept? We go on about parliament not being prepared to compromise. We should look at compromises that we would accept if we don't get our way.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Yeah but we aren't necessarily going to get that. If we don't what would people accept? We go on about parliament not being prepared to compromise. We should look at compromises that we would accept if we don't get our way.
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I agree - and then negotiate our way back in during a long transition period.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


FFS
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It’s a completely illogical position to take.

He could appeal to both Brexiteers and Remainers if he said he would negotiate a much better deal (without May’s red lines) and then let the public vote on it - assuming we are at the point where Tories have failed and we are having a GE.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Yeah but I'm talking yes or no on all 8 options. Some of the options are nuanced and not everybody would vote the same way on all 8 options.

Personally I want to remain but after that I want the weakest Brexit that we can get.
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The problem is that the other 7 do not include a sensible customs union or single market option , ie one where the UK complies by the rules of the said customs union or single market, ie something that is realistically negotiable.
 
Showing tolerance against these morons, those in the public included, is just as dangerous in the long run as revoking article 50. No idea why this is ignored.

Suddenly I’m supposed to care what xenophobic, racist people think? That they’re going to be miffed and potentially cause damage to property or people. Feck off.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I think no matter what happens we'll be back in in the next 10 years. The only problem is that 10 years is too long for me as I'll almost be retired by then.
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Can't see it personally. The amount of concessions we'd have to make in order to get back in would never be acceptable to most of the British public. Bringing in the euro for starters would be a non starter.
 
Do the MPs vote on every amendment, or just on the one that they are in favour of?
 
Siorac said:
Can someone explain the difference between customs union, permanent customs union, and May's deal? The latter also involved a UK-wide customs union so I'm confused.
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Clarke's customs union doesn't mention how the UK joins it, as it's the customs union of the EEA.

Corbyn's customs union means he wants all the benefits of the customs union but not adhere to the rules.

May's deal doesn't have the customs union only during the transition period.
 
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