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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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The negotiations should have all been handled by the senior civil servants, who are a constant presence and are extremely skilled. It's now turned into a party political issue, which shouldn't have happened.

They were but they negotiate according to what they are told to negotiate. They can't decide the policy.
 
What a clown. Confirms that this last 3-6months has all been a big charade. Im sure the Honda workers will be so glad he stuck to his guns lon enough for then to lose their jobs.

He doesn't give a fxxk for the Honda workers or any other for that matter.
As I previously mentioned he has been busy keeping his head down hoping nothing can stick on him.
It is all about posturing I am afraid.
 
WA is not going to get the required amount of votes with DUP bankrolled by dirty money and hard line Brexiteers within tory party, not a chance.
 
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Did the civil service have more influence in the past?
The civil service has always been responsible for actually doing the administrative work of the Government of the day, but of course, the senior civil servants carry the organisational memory. Politicians aren't permanent, senior civil servants are there for a very long time. I don't think their influence has waned, they basically run everything - but in the background. They are highly-skilled negotiators.

Ministers come and go - say someone is appointed to agriculture and fisheries and has no idea about those subjects. The Permanent Secretary of each department actually guides the politician and briefs them on a daily basis. Permanent Secretaries report directly to Parliament and the person above them (the Head of the Civil Service) is Secretary to the Cabinet - he knows exactly what's going on at the highest level.
 
WA is not going to get the required amount of votes with DUP bankrolled by dirty money and hard line Brexiteers within tory party, not a chance.
I've not ruled it out at all personally. May's aim has always been to leave MPs, including Labour, with a last-minute choice of her deal or no deal. The EU agreeing a short extension scuppered that for a bit, but it hasn't completely gone away yet.
 
The civil service has always been responsible for actually doing the administrative work of the Government of the day, but of course, the senior civil servants carry the organisational memory. Politicians aren't permanent, senior civil servants are there for a very long time. I don't think their influence has waned, they basically run everything - but in the background. They are highly-skilled negotiators.

Ministers come and go - say someone is appointed to agriculture and fisheries and has no idea about those subjects. The Permanent Secretary of each department actually guides the politician and briefs them on a daily basis. Permanent Secretaries report directly to Parliament and the person above them (the Head of the Civil Service) is Secretary to the Cabinet - he knows exactly what's going on at the highest level.

Sounds like a new series of The Thick of It. :lol:
 
Just to add to my post above - May did too much of the negotiation herself, IMO. The policy was "leave the EU". How that happened was open to negotiation, of course.

I get your point and of course the civil servants will advise the government but having said that the agreement was based around May's red lines and based on those the agreement was more a technical legal negotiation because the agreement couldn't actually be much different to what it is.

Unfortunately so many people seem to expect some sort of agreement regarding the future relationship by now, unless people want no deal or to cancel Brexit they should actually vote for the deal so that the future relationship can be negotiated in the coming months and years.
 
I assumed he was impersonating Boris...
 
I get your point and of course the civil servants will advise the government but having said that the agreement was based around May's red lines and based on those the agreement was more a technical legal negotiation because the agreement couldn't actually be much different to what it is.

Unfortunately so many people seem to expect some sort of agreement regarding the future relationship by now, unless people want no deal or to cancel Brexit they should actually vote for the deal so that the future relationship can be negotiated in the coming months and years.
Yes, good point about the red lines. I agree with you on the second paragraph, really. Approve the deal and then water it down as far as possible in the longer-term negotiations when May's gone. It would, however, depend on who we get for the next PM.
 
Even his hair has left the EU.
 


So this is a real person. Apparently.

Some MP got into trouble with him recently for pointing to Fabricant's hair when he was sitting behind him and laughing to the MP sitting next to him. Evidently the guy was seen mouthing "It's a wig".

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https://www.independent.ie/world-ne...p-who-appeared-to-mock-his-hair-37743399.html
 
They were but they negotiate according to what they are told to negotiate. They can't decide the policy.

I wrote to my local MP the week after the referendum saying that he shouldn't vote to revoke A50 until the government has a policy paper setting out what was the position we were negotiating on.

He basically told me that the Tories were never going to set out a policy beforehand and to give up any hope of delaying the A50 process.

The position was 'cake and eat it' with some red lines to appease the xenophobes - giving our negotiators no chance really.
 
Yes, good point about the red lines. I agree with you on the second paragraph, really. Approve the deal and then water it down as far as possible in the longer-term negotiations when May's gone. It would, however, depend on who we get for the next PM.

Yes exactly.
Getting rid of May seems like a good thing, then you look at who could possibly succeed her and peoples concerns return.
 
I wrote to my local MP the week after the referendum saying that he shouldn't vote to revoke A50 until the government has a policy paper setting out what was the position we were negotiating on.

He basically told me that the Tories were never going to set out a policy beforehand and to give up any hope of delaying the A50 process.

The position was 'cake and eat it' with some red lines to appease the xenophobes - giving our negotiators no chance really.

Doesn't surprise me at all. Shameful how the whole process has been handled.