Corbyn is a fecking idiot.
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So, in the next 2 weeks, Corbyn wants to wait for the Tories to negotiate their "damaging Brexit", then have a GE, then labour win the GE, then negotiate a new, better deal with the EU than the one May spent over two years negotiating that the EU have repeatedly said is the only deal on the table.
Is he an idiot or just taking the people for idiots?
Is he an idiot or just taking the people for idiots?
Okey Dokey, what?
It was such a nonsensical post from start to finish there wasn't really any grounds for debate there at all. Sorry about that.
Thanks.
Bit of both.
I'm beginning to think this will be one of the greatest dupes in history - this whole time we put on a show of being completely and utterly incompetent whilst behind the scenes we have an absolute web of spies hashing out trade deals with every Tom, Dick & Harry.
It'll be like Transfer deadline day, we'll post pictures of Teresa May signing deals with India, USA, Japan and the mighty Solomon Islands in the 11th hour. That, or we are simply utterly incompetent.
It'll be like Transfer deadline day, we'll post pictures of Teresa May signing deals with India, USA, Japan and the mighty Solomon Islands in the 11th hour. That, or we are simply utterly incompetent.
Hard to translate in French your political system.
It's obvious that the French opposition would have asked for a 2nd referendum in order to get remain, then ask the current government to resign.
The Brexit process lacks clarity from the start.
"To be prepared is half the victory" - Miguel de Cervantes
It's obvious that the French opposition would have asked for a 2nd referendum in order to get remain, then ask the current government to resign.
The Brexit process lacks clarity from the start.
"To be prepared is half the victory" - Miguel de Cervantes
May is a leaver. I am not convinced she was ever a remainer.
Anyhow, according to John Crace in the Guardian, she doesn't even speak fluent Binary. She picks up a slogan and keeps repeating it to the bitter end. She will probably be screaming "strong and stable" as they lay her to rest.
His money is to be made from brexit, if he can't make 50m from a no deal brexit, 15m from Maybots deal will have to do. (Figures plucked from thin air)
This iteration of the Labour Party deserves to crash and burn.
People complaining about Corbyn, but I was under the impression the EU would be happy to extend article 50 and re-negotiate what would be a new deal provided that we have different red lines and are not just seeking a slight improvement on May's deal. From what I gather Corbyn's proposal would be a vastly different approach that they would engage (given the opportunity).
People, including myself, damning Theresa May for her handling of Brexit, but for me Corbyn has been the bigger failure. He's consistently failed to present an effective opposition, failed to present the views of his party and, just like May, failed to represent the best interests of the country.
This. Most despicable of all he’s making her somehow more palatable.
Actually although I think a lot of his views are unattainable, some definitely Quixotic, if Jeremy pulls off/forces a GE from all of this he will in the words of the BBC's News Night presenter "have played a blinder" and you would have to acknowledge that accomplishment
Particularly odd that Corbyn of all people ended up being like that. When he replaced Miliband the expectation was an end to the triangulation and flip flopping that had characterised Labour's attempts to challenge Tory austerity. We thought we'd get full throated opposition to the Tories on their most damanging policies, which at first did happen & looked like it might change the political landscape.
But in the end Corbyn on Brexit has been almost like a rerun of Milband on austerity, disagreeing with the way the Tories were going about it, but agreeing with what they were doing, and just offering a lighter version of the same thing.
Its no real secret, Corbyn has been anti-EU since he was in short trousers and a fervent disciple of Tony Benn on this and many other matters.
We want option ‘L’ then right?
When do the votes start?
When do the votes start?
Corbyn is not asking for something that is possible. He's at the same stage May was at two years ago. Either he's even more stupid than the Tories or he knows that the EU would never possibly agree to it and just trying to fool his followers.
You could be part of the customs union and/or the single market but not without complying by the rules.
Theres no way that one is happening.
L preferably, though M might do it too.
L is the only sensible one.
Bercow appears to have ruled mv3 again
Bercow is an attention loving cnut.
Possibly not but I said it’s the most desirable outcome.
Yeah but he seems to actually act in the national interest. Not everyone is perfect.
If he has ruled it out the UK are in deep sh!t. So L better win and be adopted.
Not just that but he's also ruled out the notwithstanding motion which was expected to be the governments plan to get round it. So yeah, this will be fun.
Meanwhile, looking like the Tories aren't whipping on these votes and there's going to be quite a few cabinet members who abstain. fecking cowardly to do so but what do you expect. Might give M a chance of passing.
Disagree - M Beckett: Confirmatory Ballot is the best option.
Revoke is just people not thinking straight.
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No it's by far the most sensible option. Any form of Brexit will be bad for the country.
On a confirmatory ballot only provided by this parliament , ie the only one possible that is on the table - if it is approved by the public then it goes ahead, if it isn't then what?
Have to agree with this.
The only really palatable timeline is a second referendum and remain winning by a clear and decisive margin.
But there's not a remain option
Not thinking straight was having a referendum on such a ambiguous, non-binding question that most people don't understand to the public in the first place. Giving it to them again solves nothing. Revoking is by far the most sensible option.
So what is the vote for then?
Surely, it would have to be, "Do you agree with this option, or remain?".
Why am I not thinking straight? We should just continue the status quo until there is an actual plan etc. anything else is just counter productive.
No it's do you accept the agreement or not and if parliament is dissolved then it doesn't apply.