This is my problem with every single vox pop you see on the news where they go out into a random town centre and make it look like everyone is furiously pro Brexit. No, you're jus speaking to a bunch of retired old folk whilst everyone else is cracking on at work.
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This is my problem with every single vox pop you see on the news where they go out into a random town centre and make it look like everyone is furiously pro Brexit. No, you're jus speaking to a bunch of retired old folk whilst everyone else is cracking on at work.
Thing is, if the question of leaving with no deal had been put to these people at the time of the referendum it would have been a much smaller majority. May's incompetence and the likes of Farage and the ERG continuing to go on about how a no deal brexit will be fine continues to make people want to "get on with it"
Javid, Hunt and Lidington were all remainers. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of one of them replacing her.
Yep. Pensioners and people in jobs with with no 'direct' relationship to the EU. Most of the angry, 'we have been betrayed' people that ring up Ferrari and Farage on LBC are in white van trades, retail, services etc. Very few in manufacturing or export/import related jobs. They, mistakenly, are under the impression that they can indulge their Land of Hope and Glory nostalgia by voting Brexit and that it will have zero effect on their livelihoods.
Funnily enough the disaffected people that voted leave due to a warped and heavily influenced view on immigration are not so vocal. I think they are coming to realise that they will be the losers in all this and as far as immigration is concerned they have merely exchanged Europeans for Asians.
Look at this shit. This prick is feeling “really no dealy” because Teresa May didn’t get invited to dinner. This is what we’re dealing with. Wankers who think no deal is a threat they can hold over the EU. It’s also incredibly immature. Gammons behaving like petulant children. Vile half-wits, the lot of them.
Over 3000000 Russians think government listens to petitions
I know, and the 'they want their £39 billion' thing. Like that's a real concern for the EU - a continent with a GDP of £15,000 billion
This is what I was referring to earlier about us looking like the EU's bitch. The optics of this play right into the hands of no deal brexiters.
Don't think Russia wants the UK still in the EU..
Tried to get a doctors appointment today. Can't get one for the next two weeks. Two of the GPs in the local practice were Romanian and both have gone... So Brexit fecking with my health now. And, yep, I live in a Tory area, which is full of older people (partially why GPs are always busy) and was majority leave.
See above , I asked exactly that
Something like this is long overdue. Revocation please.
And in the usual fashion, none of these will pass.
Whatever gets the most support becomes the new direction? It'd still need to pass the house at some point i guess but that should be the starting point
Probably, it is Theresa May after all.
After that Netflix documentary I don't believe a word she says. It does inspire some hope though following the briefings yesterday that May was warming to the idea of No Deal.
With a free vote, every single option will be:
Ayes: ~150
Noes: ~500
0/7 motions passed.
Warming to no deal. Ugh. Brainless.
It would only work if it were a transferable vote, narrow it down to two and then there has to be a winner. Same goes for another referendum.
Take the one that sustains the heaviest defeat off the table, then go again. Rinse and repeat.
Until there are two left, then put it to the people
I think it's worth distinguishing between the same point made by multiple people, and the same point being made by the same person, relentlessly. I'm not sure who found Cal?'s arguments for Ronaldo day after day to be valuable. I'm not sure Cal? even would reflect back on it in that way. He wasn't the cause of the monstrosity though. What made the Ronaldo vs. Messi threads endlessly long were different people echoing Cal?'s views in small bursts. That's an inevitability, whereas an individual making the same point over and over and over again, for a period of years, is a pretty unusual thing.
Personally I don't think it aids the discussion and I can't figure out why someone would do it. Even if you have no-one else to say it to, this is your only outlet, you need to make the same point? I'm not sure that's in anyone's interests. I just don't understand it, and thought Paul might be able to shed some light on what value he gets from it, or thinks others get from it. If the answer to both is zero, then why is it problematic to just not say it?
Either approach works for me. Does anyone know how this indicative vote malarkey is supposed to work?
A lot of those options if parliament votes for them is how you guarantee the establishment of populism and the far right.
They indicate the will of the house but aren’t actually legally binding. Though government is meant to honor them, that’s my understanding of it anyway.
Who would’ve guessed that the BBC would go for this angle.
You’re not seriously suggesting that the BBC are supporting leave are you?
As I've said before, many NHS dentists are from other European countries. People better get used to paying £100 for a check-up.
It doesn't detract from your point, but just for info an awful lot of dentists make you take out insurance now, £15-20 a month.
I know it's crazy but you never know.
Why not? Their political editor is right wing, isn't she?
But they have 20k employees, I'm sure some support leave.
I used to use a private one and pay 13 pounds a month for two free check ups a year and some other perks.
NHS dentist's are free I guess?
7 different votes? Or just one where there is no consensus?
No, there are 3 bands of charges - but treatment is assigned to one band and won't go above the cost of that band. You can have a whole course of very complex treatment done and you won't pay more than about £250. Some people don't have to pay anything, such as kids, folk on benefits, pregnant women.
NHS dentistry is much cheaper than private, but the range of treatment isn't available - much of the cosmetic stuff isn't done on the NHS.
Do people say things like this in AA meetings?
"Jesus Christ mate, we know you have been sober for 6 months, you told us that 2 weeks ago. Unless youve fallen off the wagon and beaten your wife, or something else interesting has happened to you, sit the fck down and let someone else speak."
I think this thread should be seen as a safe space for Remainers to let off steam. It may be a bit repetitive at times but given the amount of action we get in here every day I dont think most people really mind. In fact, maybe having something predictable and constant, like Paul's posts, is exactly what we need in these turbulent and unpredictable times.
I think so... even whipped votes I think non get a majority...
The Pm then probably goes for an election i suspect saying parliment cant agree on options... we couldnt agree what to put on a ballot - we need a strong government - election
Odds of a decisive result to a GE held now?
Slim, Id say.
Slim, Id say.
Probably. But then they have to agree what to put in their manifestos. And agree a new leader for the Tories.
my gut feel is she calls for an election straight after her vote goes down... it does not give the time for the conservatives to get a new leader in place - does not really give time for TIG or Brexit party to effectively get people and campaign... turns it into pretty much a defacto referendum leave (conservatives) vs remain (SNP, libs, Greens, Labour (probably?))... and if the remain vote is split they can win that fight - even with May in charge (shes as much a liability as corbyn is for labour)... no idea how labour would hold up through the manifesto process but I suspect it would be at least as difficult for them as it is for the conservatives if not more so