If there is any driving off the cliff to be done it will be Theresa that does it, with all the rest of the Tory party no where near, not even standing on the cliff to watch her go, political suicide is very much a singular event. The new PM will ride to the rescue, probably on a white horse (NB. not a unicorn!)
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If there is any driving off the cliff to be done it will be Theresa that does it, with all the rest of the Tory party no where near, not even standing on the cliff to watch her go, political suicide is very much a singular event. The new PM will ride to the rescue, probably on a white horse (NB. not a unicorn!)
Unless you’re a complete romantacist, nothing about Ireland is easily solved
Think you're right. I always think of him as a Thatcherite which, by today's standards in the Tory Party, would probably make him a moderate? Which just shows how far to the Right British politics has swung. He's absolutely a Brexiter.
Are there any remaining Tory voters on here? I'd be intrigued as to why the hell you'd vote for any of the new intake after all this?
Between this and the last GE exactly what the Tory party is and what its for seems a fecking mystery....low taxes i guess.
Between this and the last GE exactly what the Tory party is and what its for seems a fecking mystery....low taxes i guess.
Poll? (mods)
Most likely outcome:
Most likely outcome:
- Mays Deal Passed
- No Deal
- Long Extension (for GE)
- Long Extension (for Referendum)
- Long Extension (for re-negotiations with current government)
I suspect simply by being Not Corbyn they will perform well in the next election
And i truth with a FPTP system and a menifesto that was a hard enough brexit to keep ERG members on side I suspect they would be able to get something like a 45%-50% share of the vote (basocallhy they would be the only real leave option - unless the "brexit" party becomes a propper thing) and with that share and the remaing votes split lab, libs, greens, TIG, SNP etc they will probably be the biggest party and may even get a majority
Yeah, I would have gone for Deal Passed, but the extension possibilities might have scuppered that. I'd go for a Long Extension but could be either for a GE or a Referendum.
Bad news for Corbyn, how long can he continue to disguise his position before even his own supporters cotton on?
Likewise I think if it was mays deal and only 1 extension date that couldnt be amended she might have got it through... the EU really did do an impressive job of fecking that up for her whilst putting it over in a pretty friendly way... as it stands i think her deal goes down and immediately she calls a GE (if its conservative policy they easily get 2/3rd parliament) as it does not give her party time to boot her and as you say Corbyn will have to release a manifesto with a brexit policy (eg will they back a 2nd referendum) and that will cause a lot of problems for labour i think... equally if her deal goes down in flames again she can switch to "managed no deal" as the official conservative policy (again not without problems for conservative unity)
is this the meeting Corbyn flounced out of?
Just a couple of things May has made absolutely clear in the past:
-UK will leave on 29th of March
-There will be no election
-She has complete trust in foreign secretary Boris Johnson
-Her leadership is strong and stable
At some point having her say something on a topic looses all meaning. She is not in control of brexit, she's lost every "fight" she picked. There will be no deal if the sane MP's are less than half and can't get their act together (which sadly seems likely), not because one of her silly promises would be broken.
As has always been with General Elections, it always boils down to the lesser of 2 evils. The prospect of Corbyn is so abhorrent to many of the voting public, that the Conservatives become the default choice. Of course, if an election was called, Corbyn would get his happy clappy fan club out again and the Tories would spend the whole campaign banging on about some shit (strong and stable at the last one, for example
) and criticising Corbyn instead of telling people what they can actually offer.From a personal view point, May is my MP but I would never vote for her again in my constituency. The majority is so large that it they would have to be an enormous swing for Labour to get in, so thankfully, would never happen, and you always get loads of nutters standing so I can still vote for Monster Raving Loony instead.
You already did.
Yessir.
Good point.
I believe the government has to bring an amendable statement on either monday or tuesday to the house...
gut feel if they dont bring the vote by then they will loose control of the process and MP's will try to force a vote on her deal
If not then in theory they can push the vote back till april 11th I presume
Over 3 million now.
perhaps if they cab get it to 18 million it will be hard to ingore... till then I expect the normal 17.4 million people voted for brexit... and brexit means brexit etc
If there's a general election before any settlement then the fights in the Tory party will be absolutely stupendous. And Labour will have to put something other than a blank page in their manifesto. Fudge anyone? I do feel guilty though, I'm starting to look on it all as pure entertainment rather than a matter of right and wrong.
Farage discounted it on Sky News this morning as russian interference, i chuckled.
He also said the vast majority of the country want no deal. Must have judged it by asking people on his 'march'
He said a lot of the signatures of the petition were from Russia, at the time he said that it was 28 out 2.5 million although I guess 28 does seem like a lot of people when compared to his march.
To be fair I get the sense - backed up by absolutely no evidence Ill admit - that a not insignificant number of people in this country do either want, or are absolutely willing to accept, a no deal Brexit.
I dont think there is a majority but for sure sure there is a significant %
i dont know if anybody else saw the story recently but a mayor in a small US town was forced to stand down due to a finance scandle...
they held a 2 part referendum...
Part 1 ... should the mayor stand down yes or no
and something like 65% said he should go and 35% said he should stay
Part 2 ... who should be the new mayor if he goes
there was about 6 candidates and one was the existing mayor... he got 35% and won the election
I think no deal would get a lot of support in a public referendum... not 50% but depending how it was structured that could be enough for the minority to drag everybody with them
That would be super easy. Apart from all the lost jobs and deaths. But who cares about that?
Agreed @sun_tzu, its not a majority, but its a lot of people nonetheless. Enough to be very well placed if it ever comes back to a public vote. I think a lot of the people who dont actively want it, but are willing to accept it, can be won round to voting for it. The media will portray any other outcome than no deal as tantamount to being the EU's bitch.
That would be solving one problem and creating potentially a bigger one.
I personally don't think Northern Ireland is ready Economically, Politically or Culturally to join a United Ireland. I think in an ideal world there needs to be a few generations between the Troubles and any reunification.
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So now Russia wants UK in the EU?
Do you think it would make any difference if she’s overthrown? Who could come in and sort this out? The only sensible option is revoke but what potential new leader would have the inclination or balls to try that?
If he bothered to have someone look at the data, he should have said "it's the French!!".
10,563 people voted from France in the Petition, 5957 from Spain, 4669 from Germany, 28 from Russia. Given the amount of Brits that are currently abroad I don't even think the numbers overly matter all that much, unless we're saying people who are currently abroad aren't allowed to vote in a petition like this. It's a dumb argument by a half wit turd.
Wouldn't be a big surprise actually. The whole Brexit mess proved to be a moderating influence on most Eurosceptics in the EU, and the EU's popularity actually grew outside the UK. Brexit, as things stand now, does not seem to be the "beginning of the end" for the union, rather it's a unifying force.
It's not inconceivable that in the light of all this, Russia would now prefer having Farage back in the EP.
He's not got a great track record when it comes to facts and/or numbers
More demonstration of the fraudulent referendum and how everyone seems to be wanting to bury this and not do anything about it. On top of this, Aaron Banks still under investigation by the National Crime Agency
This is Wigmore's and Bank's responses:
They do not give a crap about the people, when will everyone get that through their thick heads.
This is Wigmore's and Bank's responses:
They do not give a crap about the people, when will everyone get that through their thick heads.
On Question Time last night, one of the audience said that we should just leave without a deal and there was a big round of applause. Fiona Bruce then pointed out that, though it might have sounded like a lot of people, actually only a few were clapping.
A very loud and vocal minority.
Its a good point, though I dont know how representative a QT audience is. I think it would skew towards educated people, and old people who cant read probably wouldnt be able to find their way in.
As I said, I have no stats, no hard evidence. And as you suggest, a minority can make a lot of noise. But I dont think this group is as small as the absurdity of the proposition they support deserves.
Its a good point, though I dont know how representative a QT audience is. I think it would skew towards educated people, and old people who cant read probably wouldnt be able to find their way in.
As I said, I have no stats, no hard evidence. And as you suggest, a minority can make a lot of noise. But I dont think this group is as small as the absurdity of the proposition they support deserves.
Didn't know Mark Corrigan was involved
not anybody likley to win the tory leadership.... jonson, gove... POP... they will give brexit a shot of viagra nd make it the hardest brexit it can possibly be
I’d love to see that petition hit 17.5 million, just to see what would actually happen. I wonder if it would stop May repeating “will of the British people” every time she draws breath.