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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Smores said:
Whatever gets the most support becomes the new direction? It'd still need to pass the house at some point i guess but that should be the starting point
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Surely, it will have to have support from the EU as well?

I thought the EU were saying if the MV3 vote is passed we have until May 22 to sort out the technicalities, but if the MV3 fails then its lights out on the 12th April?

Surely if MV3 fails there wont be time to hold indicative votes, then to sort out a new proposal, then to put that proposal to the EU and also (in MP's spare time) dismantle the default legislation (i.e. No Deal) which should have happened on the 29th March, but will now happen on the 12th April?

Or, has Theresa May already briefed the 27 heads of state that if she can't get MV3 through and then subsequently the Brexit process in HoC falls under the control of MP's (not the PM),and is seen to be in the ascendancy, then Theresa will steal the MP's thunder by revoking A50 herself? Interesting thought and it becomes her final two-fingered salute to her dearly loved fellow politicians, its called going out in style!

Of course if the revoke option has already failed to pass muster amongst the indicative voting, then the 'accident' everyone (except ERG) worry about might happen.

All this Brexit dealings could well be a plot lifted straight from 'Game of Thrones'.
 
Raees said:
BBC have been pro leave for a while now. They hide it better than others but they definitely ain’t as left Luvvies as they used to be.
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Cameron moved the BBC to the right, although it was said to be left wing for so long that many people will never get rid of the idea.

Whether you can label opinions on the EU left or right is another matter, Brexit is the official policy of both Labour and Conservatives after all. The right of the Tories tend to be more pro-Brexit, but so do the old left of Labour, including it's current leadership. I don't know where the SWP, WRP and the Communists various stand on Europe to be honest, maybe if there are any around they could tell us?
 
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Maticmaker said:
Surely, it will have to have support from the EU as well?

I thought the EU were saying if the MV3 vote is passed we have until May 22 to sort out the technicalities, but if the MV3 fails then its lights out on the 12th April?

Surely if MV3 fails there wont be time to hold indicative votes, then to sort out a new proposal, then to put that proposal to the EU and also (in MP's spare time) dismantle the default legislation (i.e. No Deal) which should have happened on the 29th March, but will now happen on the 12th April?

Or, has Theresa May already briefed the 27 heads of state that if she can't get MV3 through and then subsequently the Brexit process in HoC falls under the control of MP's (not the PM),and is seen to be in the ascendancy, then Theresa will steal the MP's thunder by revoking A50 herself? Interesting thought and it becomes her final two-fingered salute to her dearly loved fellow politicians, its called going out in style!

Of course if the revoke option has already failed to pass muster amongst the indicative voting, then the 'accident' everyone (except ERG) worry about might happen.

All this Brexit dealings could well be a plot lifted straight from 'Game of Thrones'.
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We can apply for a longer extension up to 11th April
This gives time for indicative votes if (when) mv3 fails then we can go back based on these indicative votes and say for example we have a majority for a customs union type deal can we extend to renegotiate based on this or we have a majority for a second referendum so can we extend to facilitate this... Or a ge etc.
Then it's up to the EU to say what we have to do to get that extension... Probably continue to contribute financially during the extension and probably hold EU elections as a minimum.
I could even see may trying to do this early next week and take the conditions back to try and force mv4...
 
I was thinking about how inept in this governing stuff your lot appear to be. I do not necessarily refer to the inability to reach a decision but rather the 'preparations' for different outcomes. Wasn't always the case was it ? The civil service used to have a lot more say in how things were implemented ?
 
The Firestarter said:
I was thinking about how inept in this governing stuff your lot appear to be. I do not necessarily refer to the inability to reach a decision but rather the 'preparations' for different outcomes. Wasn't always the case was it ? The civil service used to have a lot more say in how things were implemented ?
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I think the problem for the civil service is that it's difficult to have a say in implementing something when the government hasn't actually decided yet what we want to be implemented. And this is a fairly unique case in that it's referring to a referendum - under normal circumstances the civil service would perhaps have an easier time dismissing ideas that are grounded in lunacy, but here stupid ideas keep getting more prominence than they should because said views come under the guise of being the will of the people.
 
Penna said:
I see Boris has had a proper, grown-up leader's haircut. First step, I reckon.
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Where? The last I saw of him was the other day at a JCB thing and he still looked like an overgrown toddler who had been rolling around in the dirt.
 
Why would BBC be pro leave? From a business/commercial POV I don't get it. So for those saying that they are, what's the reasoning?
 
2 man midfield said:
Do people think the BBC have some leave-related bias then?
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I don't think they necessarily have a bias to leave, but I'm fairly sure it's been proven that the BBC, while mostly impartial, generally has a slight bias to the views of the sitting government, which in this case will reflect leave. I suppose there's a degree of logic there as they rely somewhat on the government to continue existing as they do.

My biggest gripe, not just with the BBC, but all mainstream news media, is the platforming they've done regarding this. Putting experts alongside someone with an uninformed opinion and presenting them as equals is a growing problem, as is the weird obsession with giving right-wing nutjobs like Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and Hopkins the time of day alongside actual politicians.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Where? The last I saw of him was the other day at a JCB thing and he still looked like an overgrown toddler who had been rolling around in the dirt.
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Yes, he's got short hair and he's lost weight, too. There's pics in the tabloids of him at a charity bash a couple of weeks ago. He looks very different.
 
2 man midfield said:
Do people think the BBC have some leave-related bias then?
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If there was a mirror version of the caf somewhere where the posters leaned leave as much we lean remain, I'm sure they'd be complaining about the BBC being a remainer organisation. People's perception of bias tends to be very biased.

Though as far as I can tell the actual presenters/journalists of the extended BBC are far more likely to be pro-remain than pro-leave. That's probably natural though given their typical age/education profile would suggest they would lean in that direction anyway.
 
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The Firestarter said:
I was thinking about how inept in this governing stuff your lot appear to be. I do not necessarily refer to the inability to reach a decision but rather the 'preparations' for different outcomes. Wasn't always the case was it ? The civil service used to have a lot more say in how things were implemented ?
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But the problem is that Mrs May doesn't listen to anyone; not even her own Cabinet.
She most certainly does not take any notice of HoC votes.
She just makes up her mind and then bangs ahead regardless.
I am right and it is everyone else who is wrong.

So. The civil service has no chance of any influence.
 
Penna said:
Yes, he's got short hair and he's lost weight, too. There's pics in the tabloids of him at a charity bash a couple of weeks ago. He looks very different.
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He is also spookily quiet.
Probably keeping his head below the parapet waiting for the inevitable to happen and then it will be cometh the hour cometh the blonde saviour.

Can he do any worse. Highly likely....
 
Obviously thread titles are somewhat flippant, and, from time to time, actually quite funny.

In this instance however, I'm not sure mocking a desperate attempt to derail a stunning act of treachery is a laughing matter.

This path goes on forever. Any attempt to stop The United Kingdom from this madness should be applauded. Signing a petition probably won't do a thing.

Not doing a thing certainly won't do a thing.

At least let historians know, that after the turkeys voted for Christmas, not all of them preheated the oven.
 
beedoubleyou said:
Obviously thread titles are somewhat flippant, and, from time to time, actually quite funny.

In this instance however, I'm not sure mocking a desperate attempt to derail a stunning act of treachery is a laughing matter.

This path goes on forever. Any attempt to stop The United Kingdom from this madness should be applauded. Signing a petition probably won't do a thing.

Not doing a thing certainly won't do a thing.

At least let historians know, that after the turkeys voted for Christmas, not all of them preheated the oven.
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if any future historians are reading this thread for insight: get a real job you fecking hippies
 
How the media let malicious idiots take over
Be it Jacob Rees-Mogg or Nigel Farage, blusterers and braggarts are rewarded with platforms that distort our political debate
The BBC used its current affairs programmes to turn Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg into reality TV stars, and now they have the nation in their hands.
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The best thing to have happened to the career of William Sitwell, the then-editor of Waitrose magazine, was the scandal he caused when he sent a highly unprofessional, juvenile email to a freelance journalist, Selene Nelson, who was pitching an article on vegan food. “How about a series on killing vegans, one by one. Ways to trap them? How to interrogate them properly? Expose their hypocrisy? Force-feed them meat,” he asked her. He was obliged to resign. As a result of the furore, he was snapped up by the Telegraph as its new food critic, with a front-page launch and expensive publicity shoot.

Last June, the scandal merchant Isabel Oakeshott was exposed for withholding a cache of emails detailing Leave.EU co-founder Arron Banks’ multiple meetings with Russian officials, which might have been of interest to the Electoral Commission’s investigation into the financing of the Brexit campaign. During the following days she was invited on to Question Time and other outlets, platforms she used to extol the virtues of Brexit. By contrast, the journalist who exposed her, Carole Cadwalladr, has been largely frozen out by the BBC.

This is not the first time Oakeshott appears to have been rewarded for questionable behaviour. Following the outrage caused by her unevidenced (and almost certainly untrue) story that David Cameron put his penis in a dead pig’s mouth, Paul Dacre, the then editor of the Daily Mail, promoted her to political editor-at-large.
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More:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ical-monsters-media-jacob-rees-mogg-platforms
 
beedoubleyou said:
Obviously thread titles are somewhat flippant, and, from time to time, actually quite funny.

In this instance however, I'm not sure mocking a desperate attempt to derail a stunning act of treachery is a laughing matter.

This path goes on forever. Any attempt to stop The United Kingdom from this madness should be applauded. Signing a petition probably won't do a thing.

Not doing a thing certainly won't do a thing.

At least let historians know, that after the turkeys voted for Christmas, not all of them preheated the oven.
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The title changes are the best thing about this thread.
 
SteveJ said:
How the media let malicious idiots take over
Be it Jacob Rees-Mogg or Nigel Farage, blusterers and braggarts are rewarded with platforms that distort our political debate


More:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ical-monsters-media-jacob-rees-mogg-platforms
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Good article, this bit ties into an LBC interview i watched the other day with a vote Leave staffer.

On both sides of the Atlantic, the unscrupulous, duplicitous and preposterous are brought to the fore, as programme-makers seek to generate noise. Malicious clowns are invited to discuss issues of the utmost complexity. Ludicrous twerps are sought out and lionised. The BBC used its current affairs programmes to turn Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg into reality TV stars, and now they have the nation in their hands.
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He talks about how the media are only interested in giving air time to extreme views on Brexit. Basically clowns like Mogg and Farage.
 
CA_vampire said:
Don't worry! ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/uri-geller-promises-to-stop-brexit-using-telepathy

"Uri Geller promises to stop Brexit using telepathy

Illusionist has told Theresa May he will ‘not allow’ her to lead Britain out of the EU"
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Considering he twists and bends spoons by applying enough force in a very subtle and discreet way so that it appears he’s merely caressing them, I hope this means he’s going to appear to be whispering affectionately to May but in reality he’s delivering a series of forceful headbutts.
 
Silva said:
if any future historians are reading this thread for insight: get a real job you fecking hippies
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I meant that they'd be looking at the petition.

The only people looking at this forum 10 years later will be LadBible, still stealing content and swimming in a pool of gold coins.

cnuts.
 
So we now have senior MPs meeting face to face and telling her to go and a PM who after negotiating with the EU on her deal isn't even bringing it to parliament.

Sigh just fecking sigh
 
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