Adebesi
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I cant shake this feeling that MPs are going to bottle it and WA will sneak through next week.
It would suit them immensely. What they say in public and what their doctrine is are two totally different things.Do the DUP actually want a no deal, if so why? Surely it causes chaos their end?
I don't think there's any read of the Parliamentary maths that can convincingly argue 'No Deal' would be the option that would unify Conservatives.The "parliament won't allow No Deal" crew better think again.
Conservatives have shown time and time again they will never put country before party.
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Thanks for that kind remark.EDIT: Just re-read, sorry to hear about the passing of your MiL
Those figures do prove that the only other group that rated higher for a leave collective was stupid people though.
The figures do seem to support that age and education were major factors so it should not really be surprising if people make sweeeping generalisations using synonyms for "elderly" and "uneducated" (as I did above).
I'd like to see the revised figures now though, I'm feeling the older generation figure will be dramatically reduced (as they originally trusted their printed media and have now been lectured for 2 years by their offspring). However, I feel the lower end of the educated figure will be about the same IMO.
They have always been against the GFA as well, probably see a no deal as a handy way to do away with it.It would suit them immensely. What they say in public and what their doctrine is are two totally different things.
They wont bat an eyelid if a hard border is put up either. In public they will point the finger at someone else about it, but in reality they could care less.
A border between the UK and the Republic is utopia for them.
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The DUP don't mind no deal, sure it will cause them some problems. But it will lead to a hard border which they want despite what they may say publicly. And could possibly even result in the the GFA being torn up which they've been having wet dreams over for 20 years.Do the DUP actually want a no deal, if so why? Surely it causes chaos their end?
And now look at us. Presidents of our own Kebab Club.I petitioned for @VeevaVee to be promoted and that worked so....
Has she said how she will get round the speaker?I cant shake this feeling that MPs are going to bottle it and WA will sneak through next week.
And they're my only voice in Parliament at the minute. Ah well...The DUP don't mind no deal, sure it will cause them some problems. But it will lead to a hard border which they want despite what they may say publicly. And could possibly even result in the the GFA being torn up which they've been having wet dreams over for 20 years.
They were after all the only party that campaigned for people to vote against the Good Friday Agreement.
The DUP are Far right, Climate change denying, Young Earth believing, Homophobic, Xenophobic, Racist, Sectarian, Isolationist lunatics, (Probably Flat Earthers too). You should ever expect any common sense or rational thinking from them.
How popular are they among Unionists?The DUP don't mind no deal, sure it will cause them some problems. But it will lead to a hard border which they want despite what they may say publicly. And could possibly even result in the the GFA being torn up which they've been having wet dreams over for 20 years.
They were after all the only party that campaigned for people to vote against the Good Friday Agreement.
The DUP are Far right, Climate change denying, Young Earth believing, Homophobic, Xenophobic, Racist, Sectarian, Isolationist lunatics, (Probably Flat Earthers too). You should ever expect any common sense or rational thinking from them.
If she has enough votes to pass the WA then she has enough votes to bypass the speaker's block. His power is only designed to stop bills that Parliament won't approve.Has she said how she will get round the speaker?
True, was going to write a lot more but exhausted and have a trip over to London to look forward to … hostile Border Forces demanding to know how long a British passport holder will be staying in the countryThanks for that kind remark.
So the ones we should go after are uneducated oldies? All joking aside, it would be a travesty if 16- and 17-year-olds weren't allowed a say in a second vote. It's really an issue of vital importance to teenagers.
feck! Forgot the Kebab thingy … guess I'm black-balled now, ehAnd now look at us. Presidents of our own Kebab Club.
No, but does anyone seriously think the vote next week wont happen?Has she said how she will get round the speaker?
It would effectively be dead in my opinion in the event of a no deal.The DUP don't mind no deal, sure it will cause them some problems. But it will lead to a hard border which they want despite what they may say publicly. And could possibly even result in the the GFA being torn up which they've been having wet dreams over for 20 years.
They were after all the only party that campaigned for people to vote against the Good Friday Agreement.
The DUP are Far right, Climate change denying, Young Earth believing, Homophobic, Xenophobic, Racist, Sectarian, Isolationist lunatics, (Probably Flat Earthers too). You should ever expect any common sense or rational thinking from them.
You've come to the right place for them mate!So..old people are complete idiots are they.
Please tell me (I am 68 by the way) am I a complete idiot because I voted to remain.
Quite frankly only a complete idiot would make such a groundless and utterly idiotic statement.
Weʼre raising £2,000 to refund the 40-odd #LeaveToMarch people who paid Nigel Farage £50 each to take part in his hopeless non-event.
Well they're the biggest Unionist party and they have their loyal supporters. But i've met quite a few people over the years who only vote for them to keep Sinn Fein from gaining too much power.How popular are they among Unionists?
Sadly i agree.It would effectively be dead in my opinion in the event of a no deal.
I doubt there would be any appetite for reinstating articles 2 and 3, but you're right Ireland would have made that concession ultimately for nothing.It got me wondering though....as part of the GFA the ROI gave up articles 2 & 3, their constitutional claim to NI. I doubt it and wouldnt see it happening but I would wonder if there is an argument to insert them back into the constitution?
Probably not and it would rock the boat too much but there may be an element of people who might think if the GFA is dead we gave up that claim for nothing.
But why? Why is No Deal good for a Northern Irish unionist party? Isn't it a dangerous policy, considering that Northern Ireland voted Remain. Aren't they afraid that their hardline No Deal stance will increase the popularity of the concept of a united Ireland?DUP have always wanted a no deal despite what they might have said. They are right wing fundamentalists who sit well with the ERG crowd.
I too cannot wait for these morons to have even more control white textI've taken next week off work to bask in the glory of Brexit. I can't wait for the rush of dopamine as the shackles come off and the feeling of taking back control takes over. Let's get on with it! white text
Probably because they think they are shackled by the EU’s horrendous Human Rights laws and progressive protectionism of its citizens.But why? Why is No Deal good for a Northern Irish unionist party? Isn't it a dangerous policy, considering that Northern Ireland voted Remain. Aren't they afraid that their hardline No Deal stance will increase the popularity of the concept of a united Ireland?
They know that the unionist community will still come out for them again and again through fear of the other side more than any of their own policies or work.But why? Why is No Deal good for a Northern Irish unionist party? Isn't it a dangerous policy, considering that Northern Ireland voted Remain. Aren't they afraid that their hardline No Deal stance will increase the popularity of the concept of a united Ireland?
That's the biggest thing for me. We've all seen how incompetent the MP's in the House of Commons are but people still want to give them more control.I too cannot wait for these morons to have even more control white text
https://www.itv.com/news/2017-01-31...e-10-most-signed-and-what-have-they-achieved/#1 EU Referendum rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum.
What was the petition arguing?
"We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."
Leave voter Oliver Healey claimed to have set up the petition before last year's June referendum - fearing a narrow Remain victory - before it became a de facto protest petition by Remain supporters once the 52-48 majority vote for Brexit was confirmed.
How many people signed it?
4,150,260.
Did it result in action?
The topic was debated on 5 September 2016 before the Government confirmed it would not be pursuing a second referendum.
"The European Union Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015, receiving overwhelming support from Parliament. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout," the Foreign Office said.
She's the biggest culprit.Isn't May correct though? Everybody is playing party politics here that has ground the process down to a halt.
Your parliament has very little comeback to that in my opinion.
Can't think of many examples outside of May herself. Can you?Isn't May correct though? Everybody is playing party politics here that has ground the process down to a halt.
Your parliament has very little comeback to that in my opinion.
No. She has stuck to her 5 red lines that have meant a confrontational negotiation with the EU that ended with a poor WA. She has then brought that back to Parliament and not been prepared to move on it no matter how badly it gets voted down or how many times.Isn't May correct though? Everybody is playing party politics here that has ground the process down to a halt.
Your parliament has very little comeback to that in my opinion.