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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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sun_tzu said:
she calls no deal and there is a confidence motion... who exactly passes any laws and agrees anything with the EU in the next 9 days... certainly not the new government which is 14 days away...by which time no deal has happened
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A new government can be formed on the same day the government is defeated, in the confidence vote. Just needs a majority to pass and have the "confidence of the house". That government takes control immediately.

The window to form a government is 14 days, or there is a GE.
 
Isn't no brexit an option here?

We seem to only be considering no deal or May's deal.
 
VP89 said:
Isn't no brexit an option here?

We seem to only be considering no deal or May's deal.
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People’s will blah blah blah. The current political class refuse to have a spine and do what’s right for the country for the next 20-30 years for fear of ruining their careers for the next 5-10 years.
 
horsechoker said:
Tusk says EU will agree to short extension subject to positive commons vote, May is supposedly making an address to the nation. Therefore, May will say something like she will step down in order for the motion to get through the commons or something similar.
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The Cat said:
She offers to resign after getting her deal through next week as a suitable change to let it be voted on again?
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I don't see how May stepping down makes the deal any more palatable. If you disagree with the deal, you disagree with the deal, doesn't matter who is in charge. :confused:
 
Siorac said:
Yes, the EU would not discuss a trade deal until the UK actually left the EU. A "good deal" is still possible, you just need to leave first. Hence the withdrawal agreement, where the EU accommodated pretty much every British request during the negotiations.

Now address the part about the "penalty".
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The 'penalty' is that EU wants to ensure there is 'no cake and eat it' scenario that can be seen to be arising for the UK in any 'deal' agreed and hence to send a warning to others who might be tempted to exit that they will not get a better deal outside the EU. It would be incredibly stupid of the EU if they did.

That's why a No deal outcome was always the only option if the UK really does want to leave the EU.
 
EwanI Ted said:
If they vote against May's deal and we then crash out with no deal as a result, there is no way in hell they'll be able to blame the Tories.
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There's a lot to blame the Tories for. She dragged her dead deal on to force it down parliament throats. That shit doesn't get forgotten.
 
I guess the EU patience has run thin at this point
 
Sassy Colin said:
I don't see how May stepping down makes the deal any more palatable. If you disagree with the deal, you disagree with the deal, doesn't matter who is in charge. :confused:
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I'm just wondering how they are actually going to get another vote in place. At the moment I don't see any easy option.
 
Maticmaker said:
The 'penalty' is that EU wants to ensure there is 'no cake and eat it' scenario that can be seen to be arising for the UK in any 'deal' agreed and hence to send a warning to others who might be tempted to exit that they will not get a better deal outside the EU. It would be incredibly stupid of the EU if they did.

That's why a No deal outcome was always the only option if the UK really does want to leave the EU.
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But it wasn't. The Withdrawal Agreement is still there. It is still better than no deal.
 
Sassy Colin said:
I don't see how May stepping down makes the deal any more palatable. If you disagree with the deal, you disagree with the deal, doesn't matter who is in charge. :confused:
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I asked the same thing but it seems party politics trump everything else.
 
I don't really get the small hysteria. The context has just been made clearer, by March 29th the UK has to choose between no deal, no brexit or brexit with a withdrawal agreement. If the UK choose the latter an extension is possible, the rest will happen in 9 days.
 
EwanI Ted said:
If they vote against May's deal and we then crash out with no deal as a result, there is no way in hell they'll be able to blame the Tories.
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The whole thing started as internal politics in the Conservative party, didn't it? Throughout the process a Tory government has been in charge. The Tories still have a majority. How are they NOT to blame for the entire mess?
 
Siorac said:
I asked the same thing but it seems party politics trump everything else.
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Why would a new party leader/PM put his weight behind an already failed deal? And why would the DUP? I just don't see how that would work out.
 
Maticmaker said:
The 'penalty' is that EU wants to ensure there is 'no cake and eat it' scenario that can be seen to be arising for the UK in any 'deal' agreed and hence to send a warning to others who might be tempted to exit that they will not get a better deal outside the EU. It would be incredibly stupid of the EU if they did.

That's why a No deal outcome was always the only option if the UK really does want to leave the EU.
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A no deal outcome is the only option IF the country whose leaving expect to enjoy the same perks of being an EU member without actually being an EU member. However there's plenty of options for a country to have a good relationship with the EU. The Norway option, the Swiss option (although the EU is slowly phasing that away), the Turkish option (customs union but nothing more) and the Canada type deal.

The problem here is that the UK insist on picking a cake and eat it deal, a sort of, Canada ++++++++++++++ which stinks of EU membership but without commitments towards the union whatsoever. That wasn't given to the US and it won't be given to the UK.
 
Siorac said:
The whole thing started as internal politics in the Conservative party, didn't it? Throughout the process a Tory government has been in charge. The Tories still have a majority. How are they NOT to blame for the entire mess?
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They don't. Coalition government =/= Tories. They have to keep the DUP on side and I'm not sure why the DUP would vote for the same deal they twice rejected.
 
Bear in mind a short extension has been rejected without the WA. And rejected on the basis that she'd put the same deal before parliament again and it would pass.
They're saying prove it, which seems pretty reasonable frankly. They might be more amenable to a long extension or a short extension for better reasons.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't really get the small hysteria. The context has just been made clearer, by March 29th the UK has to choose between no deal, no brexit or brexit with a withdrawal agreement. If the UK choose the latter an extension is possible, the rest will happen in 9 days.
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Making a choice, not something the UK parliament is good at.
 
How many seats in parliament does a people's vote have?
 
MadMike said:
They don't. Coalition government =/= Tories. They have to keep the DUP on side and I'm not sure why the DUP would vote for the same deal they twice rejected.
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Fine but I still don't see why Labour couldn't blame the Tories. It's objectively their fault, the whole thing.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Making a choice, not something the UK parliament is good at.
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That seems to be the reason behind that condition. No more time unless the UK take a definitive decision. And it's not even guaranteed that they accept an extension at all, Tusk wasn't all that convinced at least that's how I interpret his mention of a potential emergency meeting next week.
 
Siorac said:
But it wasn't. The Withdrawal Agreement is still there. It is still better than no deal.
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Not for millions who voted leave in the UK. A £39B leaving fee, no guarantee of a Trade deal, you must be joking.

The only possible way out, other than a no deal, is the cancelling of A50 and this despite, all the bluff and counterbluff, has been the true situation since day 1 after the referendum.

Will our MP's 'seize the day'?
 
Maticmaker said:
Not for millions who voted leave in the UK. A £39B leaving fee, no guarantee of a Trade deal, you must be joking.

The only possible way out, other than a no deal, is the cancelling of A50 and this despite, all the bluff and counterbluff, has been the true situation since day 1 after the referendum.

Will our MP's 'seize the day'?
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No
 
devilish said:
How many seats in parliament does a people's vote have?
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Depends which version of a peoples vote, further subdivided by which questions. There are roughly 650 different opinions of Brexit in the UK Parliament all of which have the backing of one MP.
 
EwanI Ted said:
If they vote against May's deal and we then crash out with no deal as a result, there is no way in hell they'll be able to blame the Tories.
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Of course there is. It was Tory government with a Tory PM. That's fairly sufficient, do you expect a sudden in-depth understanding of the issues by the public ?
 
There are European elections on May 23, 2019. This date was set many years ago. Either UK gets out of the EU by then, or it stays and people should vote for representatives on May, like all other Europeans.

Isn't this obvious?

Why is May asking for an extension till June 30? Did I misunderstand something?
 
Siorac said:
The whole thing started as internal politics in the Conservative party, didn't it? Throughout the process a Tory government has been in charge. The Tories still have a majority. How are they NOT to blame for the entire mess?
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The overall shitshow, sure, that’s on the tories, but it doesn’t give Labour a free hit. We are where we are in this moment, and if it were Labour votes that forced us to leave without a deal, they couldnt absolve themselves of the consequences.
 
The Firestarter said:
Of course there is. It was Tory government with a Tory PM. That's fairly sufficient, do you expect a sudden in-depth understanding of the issues by the public ?
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“The Conservatives voted for a deal, Labour voted for No Deal” is not a complex take.
 
JPRouve said:
That seems to be the reason behind that condition. No more time unless the UK take a definitive decision. And it's not even guaranteed that they accept an extension at all, Tusk wasn't all that convinced at least that's how I interpret his mention of a potential emergency meeting next week.
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Agreed.
 
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