You really are praying that Britain crashes out, why?
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No, but people seem to be detached from reality.
They had better get a move on and change it instead of meaningless nonsense.
They'll be worth a pretty penny at the end of the month.
In what way? You seem to be upset that it might not happen, as opposed to how ignorant people might, or might not be.
EDIT: This is not a personal attack, it's just an observation. You have been very helpful whenever I've had a question about this subject. I just detected a tinge of bias I'd not seen before … I hope you are not offended. No offence intended
Bloody Corbyn!
Voting for no deal is meaningless. Voting for an extension without a clear objective to present to the EU is meaningless.
Instead of faffing about , find a solution before it is too late.
Both parties are still playing party politics and it's heading nowhere.
You know what I think is crazy? Admittedly I know feck all about the etiquette of politics, but I've watched a fair few hours of debate in the House of Commons over the last 2 months or so and I can't believe the way they act.
Jeering, laughing, 'wheeeyyying', cracking jokes and talking over each other like they're back in school. Does that not boil anyone else's blood? I'm not even British and it makes me so angry. It looks like it happens way more to the non-English MPs as well.
Imagine your country being in a crisis and your politicians are acting like this. Maybe I'm just naive to some sort of universally accepted etiquette but fecking hell. How are there not mass protests outside that building..
Jeering, laughing, 'wheeeyyying', cracking jokes and talking over each other like they're back in school. Does that not boil anyone else's blood? I'm not even British and it makes me so angry. It looks like it happens way more to the non-English MPs as well.
Imagine your country being in a crisis and your politicians are acting like this. Maybe I'm just naive to some sort of universally accepted etiquette but fecking hell. How are there not mass protests outside that building..
Honestly think May resigning is whats best for the country right now, as surely thats good reason to be granted an extension? Her deals been voted against twice and no deals been voted against aswell.
I am gradually coming to this conclusion too.
What gives you that impression?
Fair enough. So who's pushing the 2nd ref amendment then?
Second referendum is not happening. If by some odd mistake we got a two year extension, then we could start discussing that possibility.
Why do you assume I want any sort of Brexit at all? I'm desperate that this will not happen … and I get the impression that worries you a little.
Could be wrong, and believe me, I've been wrong before.
This is very sensible IMO:
You're such a Corbyn Stan
It's a fecking joke. Bottom of the barrel level politics on display....
I'm loving it. Months of complaining about Corbyn picking his moment and then they all demand that they want to pick their moment.You're such a Corbyn Stan
Article 50 gets extended. Another referendum where the young vote in hordes to remain. Brexit gets cancelled. It's all lining up nicely. One can dream...
Listening and occasionally watching all these meaningless Amendments being put forward and voted on, I can't help thinking about the "deck chairs on the Titanic"
Next week it will be "women and children first please" and the London Philharmonic will play as the no deal trap door opens... only the British could organise chaos!!
Next week it will be "women and children first please" and the London Philharmonic will play as the no deal trap door opens... only the British could organise chaos!!
I don't get this. Do you also think it is undemocratic to vote people in and out of office every four years?
It's three years down the line, the consequences and potential outcomes are now etched out a lot clearer, as are the fantasies and outright lies that dominated the 1st referendum. It is nothing like the "just keep voting until we get the result we want" scenario that was proposed in the early days (and that May is now enacting in parliament).
Circumstances have changed. If the will of the people has changed with it, the democratic thing to do is to poll it, not hold on to a "but three years ago, a tiny majority wanted this" if it is not something the majority wants anymore.
No, I know you don't want Brexit.
I think Brexit is the most mindnumbingly stupid thing the UK could do.
What worries me is that people start thinking it's not going to happen.
Unless something that is meaningful happens very quickly, the UK will just slip out the back door.
It's a simple and stupid argument and one thing I've learnt in recent years is simple and stupid logic wins.
I mean really imagine if 80% of the country now wanted to remain, according to these people the democratic thing here would be to ignore them. How can that make any sense?
Parliament has painted itself into a corner with no solutions a majority can agree on, which might very well default to a worst case scenario by way of indecision.
They are terrified of touching on solutions that the present majority of the population actually want. Parliament has essentially been radicalised into a dichotomy where the question of which voting groups being listened to is reduced to "hard brexit" and "no deal brexit" supporters and wondering how to appease them, whilst blithely assuming that all other voting groups opinions are presently inconsequential to their future careers.
A second referendum might correct this hysteria.
We should delay the people's vote a bit. Just need a few more die hard leavers to die hard.
Scenes when Trump calls for a 'People's Vote'
Yes possibly, but it's not a guaranteed solution.
Or it might further divide the country, produce a similar result to the first and cause even more issues than we have already.
I'm indifferent to a second referendum, but if we get put in the same situation of a leave win, MP's still won't be happy and will do everything they can to block it. What do we do then? People are under the assumption that remain would win easily, the same polls predicted a big remain win the first ref, look what happened? I think the easiest way, in my opinion, would be a general election, if Labour get in, they can pursue their own vision of brexit, if the conservatives win, obviously the withdrawal agreement is fine with the public.
Amusing isn't it that the first big action of the TIG group is to feck up the peoples vote. Well done you attention seeking idiots
It often gets brought up that, apart from Corbyn being a Brexiteer at heart, Labour does not oppose Brexit or strongly back a second referendum because they are afraid of alienating a sizeable section of their voters who happen to be Leavers. However, aren't they afraid of alienating the Remainers - who, incidentally, are actually the majority within the party as far as I'm aware? They seem to be absolutely immaterial to the thought processes of both major parties.
The whole thing is a confusing mess.
If it gives a result similar to the first, it ought to clarify the mandate that parliament then must enact. But, unlike the vagueness of the 1st referendum, it should be pretty simple to put up actual choices:
"Please assign each option a number from 1 to 4, with 1 being your most desirable option and 4 being the least desirable one:
A. No deal brexit
B. Hard Brexit, leaving the single market (May's deal)
C. Soft Brexit, staying in the single market (norway+)
D. Remain"
A general election alongside it would be good for strengthening the mandate of the referendum, as one must imagine a newly constituted parliament will have more confidence in their feelings on EU being representative of their voters, unlike the current situation.
They need Jeremy Kyle to be the speaker
This whole resistance to a second vote baffles me. It's not ignoring the vote, That vote was over 2 years ago and attempts at leaving have been made. What do people think has been happening since the vote?
It's not trying to change the vote either, years have passed, more information has come to light, and people have had more time to familiarise themselves with the details surrounding Brexit (and all its peculiarities and intricacies).... It's a more informed more relevant vote, and nobody is being forced to change their vote, or restricted.
STFU with the whining...
It's not trying to change the vote either, years have passed, more information has come to light, and people have had more time to familiarise themselves with the details surrounding Brexit (and all its peculiarities and intricacies).... It's a more informed more relevant vote, and nobody is being forced to change their vote, or restricted.
STFU with the whining...
Is it just me who finds it weird that people are pushing for a second referendum? Where does this stop then? At the 3rd or the 4th? More information will come to light with each passing week/month. Does democracy mean we're going to keep voting whenever new information comes to light? Isn't that why we have elected representatives who vote on issues in the house of commons?
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Genuine question - is it possible for a government in power a few years later to seek membership of the EU again?
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Genuine question - is it possible for a government in power a few years later to seek membership of the EU again?
it's not as weird as potentially a third vote on a deal nobody wants, that has been resoundingly rejected twice, negotiated by a Priminister who will happily keep trying to get them to pass her deal yet says it's not democratic to hold a second referendum.