If the second ref amendment is rejected today, is there any hope for it in the future?
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yeah that's why there wasn't a comma in between the two, I meant it as the same thing!
I'm not in any way serious, obviously I'd prefer the extension to them crashing out in 2 weeks.
Well there is certainly precedent for things being brought before parliament to be voted on again and again during this whole process anyway.
Yes EFTA plus the CU - but that is the most pointless of all. It honours the referendum result but the only other changes is that the UK loses its influence and still has to have the 4 freedoms, still send contributions and still can't make its own trade deals.
The EU would love this to be the UK's choice, this is their best option by far. Basically as you were without Farage. Win win.
Yeah. It's an amendment to todays motion, and there's an argument about why it's being moved, given that the motion is about an extension.
Firstly it is not utter horseshit. If you have taken the time to speak with and listen to so called Brexiteers you would realise that this is one of (but not only) cause of their dissatisfaction with the EU as THEY perceive it.
The logic in your post is perfectly understandable to me.
I was pointing out the views of many I speak with and remember you may think that way but the majority voted to leave.
Many people vote based on emotions and not logic.
You may not like it but it remains the truth.
Correct. That is a real risk.
So which half are you in ?
I don't think there's a chance of a second referendum getting the votes needed.
Best we can hope for is a two year extension.
Best we can hope for is a two year extension.
Said people should ask themselves that if the EU has been ruling us then what has the UK Parliament been doing for 40 years? Surely it would not have been necessary. Plus a large part of EU law making had substantial UK input. Then ask them to name a single EU directive that has caused them serious detriment - apart from straight bananas which would cause everyone detriment. Most of what has been passed into law in the EU has been readily adapted in the UK. People go on about things like Health and Safety directives etc. Know what. The UK is totally mad for such things. We uphold them better than any other country in the EU. Whole industries grow up around them.
We'll get to see which people vote down any 2nd ref vote right?
I can now read it the way you meant it (knowing in hindsight what you meant) and I apologise, but it could also have been read the way I originally read it too. You would not need the comma for the meaning I originally gleaned due to the conjunction. Not the end of the world, and was a little bit fussy on my part … which I hate in retrospect. so sorry again!
EDIT: I'm binning Grammerly app … it causes more problems than it fixes!
Yes, it was the same for the other amendments. It will be a nice stick to be certain MPs with.
Second ref should be pulled even the PV campaign is saying they won't advise to vote for it.
The government after making a big deal of parliament "not saying what it is for" is whipping against the amendment that allows them to do just that. Just no credibility
The government after making a big deal of parliament "not saying what it is for" is whipping against the amendment that allows them to do just that. Just no credibility
All leavers for sure, they are shit scared of losing a 2nd referendum.
Get the impression that parliament think they can vote for an extension without actually having an end goal.
So yet another meaningless vote as per yesterday voting against no deal.
Just talk amongst yourselves, there is no outside world.
So yet another meaningless vote as per yesterday voting against no deal.
Just talk amongst yourselves, there is no outside world.
I'm, not, Christopher, Walken, man.
Pity, great dancer!
If Labour aren't supporting this 2nd ref amendment then it's dead. Perhaps with Labour, IG, Lib Dems, SNP, PC, Green, Indies and Remain Conservatives it would have a very good chance of winning but that's unlikely now. If a long extension is approved maybe this will gather more support.
I'm as critical as anyone of Labour's strategy, but that's a woeful take which either outs Edwards as a bit of a drip or playing party politics.
Bloody Corbyn. Only a proper moron wouldn't want to push for a second referendum today.
I think sometimes, that the extremes in the ways these things are reported and issued make it easier for the opposition to find material to legitimately target and remove the focus from the real issues.
The referendum will be discussed and voted on the day after the UK have left.
It looks like Brexit will get cancelled.
Good.
Good.
As it stands the UK are leaving two weeks tomorrow no matter what was voted for last night or tonight.
Yes , I just don't get where all that optimism for cancelling Brexit comes from.
Probably for the best. After the Brexit shambles, i don't think we should let the general public vote. Lets just have the civil service run the country.
And nor should they, we elect people, who are supposed to be better informed, to make these decisions for us!
No, nor how a People's Vote is a 'solution' to the crisis.
Good
I'm not from UK but seems a bit unfair to make that decision now. It's like "Hey we're gonna vote" - results come in - "Hey we don't like this. We're just gonna do it our way".
Long way to go yet but I have my fingers crossed!
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The premise of Brexit was a lie. It has been undemocratic and frankly a farce since day 1.