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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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If she brings back her deal for a 3rd time - it's an utter farce.

Not that it isn't already of course.
 


Wonder if we'll see more of this from celebrities as it gets closer.
 
Tusk is reportedly open to a 2 year extension. I hope this happens, then we can force a people's vote and put all the Brexit bullshit to bed.
 
Tusk is reportedly open to a 2 year extension. I hope this happens, then we can force a people's vote and put all the Brexit bullshit to bed.

From the FT:
Mr Tusk said he would “appeal to the EU27 to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its Brexit strategy and build consensus around it”

Sounds to me like hes alluding to us finding a way to cancel the whole thing.

The EU has repeatedly said they wont allow an extension if all we're going to do is continue to faff around along current lines.
 
Are Brexiters actually sure they really want sovereignty of their parliament.

I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this.
 
From the FT:


Sounds to me like hes alluding to us finding a way to cancel the whole thing.

The EU has repeatedly said they wont allow an extension if all we're going to do is continue to faff around along current lines.

Rightly so. Lets black ball brexit. It was a shit idea 2 years ago and has only proven itself to be a turd. The only reason either political party is entertaining it is because they don't want to risk losing a significant chunk of the votes of 17.4 million idiots to ukip or the other side.
 
I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this
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Or more aware of how the structure of the EU actually works?
 
Tusk is reportedly open to a 2 year extension. I hope this happens, then we can force a people's vote and put all the Brexit bullshit to bed.

So which way would the so called peoples vote need to go to do that.
 
Meaningful Vote 3 on Tuesday apparently. No doubt to be followed by Malthouse draft C version 3.1.
 
I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this.

But surely this proves to them that the UK are deciding their own fate, it's their choice. The Uk parliament can't decide what it wants.
Headlines like in the Express still going on about EU bullies is ridiculous.

The UK can leave whenever it wants - all it has to do is be responsible for its actions.

One gets the impression that they don't really want to leave because deep down, even hard Brexiters realise that it will be an unmitigated disaster but don't want to admit it.
 
I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this.

What a load of utter horseshit, we aren't ruled by Europe.

If all of Europe sets the same standards on various issues, it makes it far more easy to trade with each other.

People might moan about such things like car emissions/safety standards, but if the whole of Europe is working to the same rule book, then we can sell one type of car all over Europe. In any case, if we want to trade in Europe, we will still have to follow all the European standards, in the same way we have to follow US standards to trade with the US. Remember all those appalling impact bumper cars of the 70s, and much tougher emissions standards started in the US too.

I'd like to know what it is that Europe is forcing us to do that we would really rather not do and we can do better ourselves? British Governments have consistently shown a complete inability to govern the country.
 
What a load of utter horseshit, we aren't ruled by Europe.

If all of Europe sets the same standards on various issues, it makes it far more easy to trade with each other.

People might moan about such things like car emissions/safety standards, but if the whole of Europe is working to the same rule book, then we can sell one type of car all over Europe. In any case, if we want to trade in Europe, we will still have to follow all the European standards, in the same way we have to follow US standards to trade with the US. Remember all those appalling impact bumper cars of the 70s, and much tougher emissions standards started in the US too.

I'd like to know what it is that Europe is forcing us to do that we would really rather not do and we can do better ourselves? British Governments have consistently shown a complete inability to govern the country.

It is utter horseshit but Buster is right - many middle aged and older people do think this. It might be utter bollocks but they do think it.

Even if it were true, which it isn't, I have no idea why anyone would prefer our shower of shit being in charge.
 
It is utter horseshit but Buster is right - many middle aged and older people do think this. It might be utter bollocks but they do think it.

Even if it were true, which it isn't, I have no idea why anyone would prefer our shower of shit being in charge.

And yet talk about the union and they're all proud of our kingdom and oversees territories. If a country should dictate its own laws we should be granting independence far and wide.
 
If we get a 2 year extension, what happens to the blue passports.

Answers on a post card please
 
Hopefully Labour whip to support Benns indicative vote amendment. They've ruled out tabling a second ref amendment today but they have to support indicative votes so that a route towards a peoples vote can be found next week.
 
Another uneducated question...

Are they going to be voting again on the exact same thing they voted on yesterday? With nothing changing?

Please don’t tell me that’s actually what’s happening?
 
Another uneducated question...

Are they going to be voting again on the exact same thing they voted on yesterday? With nothing changing?

Please don’t tell me that’s actually what’s happening?
Today they are voting on whether to ask for an extension.

Unless that's changed.
 
From the FT:


Sounds to me like hes alluding to us finding a way to cancel the whole thing.

The EU has repeatedly said they wont allow an extension if all we're going to do is continue to faff around along current lines.

It also (I think) helps May politically for him to suggest that's the case? May is essentially going to offer MPs a choice: short delay + her deal or long delay + european elections + potential referendum/revocation/whatever.

As such even if the EU are in fact extremely reluctant to see a long extension (which they're bound to be) and see no liklihood of the UK actually cancelling the whole thing, it makes sense for the likes of Tusk to hype the possibility of that happening?
 
I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this.
I've also heard that point of view, but it doesn't make sense.

Everyone can vote to choose their local MP. In our Tory constituency our candidate always loses, but we don't feel we haven't had a say. Similarly, we all have a vote for our region's MEP. I know that many people just don't bother voting for a European representative, but that doesn't mean they haven't had the chance to have their say.

UK turnout for the last 2 European elections was around 35%. That shows how massively important most people think it is. But now, suddenly the UK is under the giant European thumb and we should leave at all costs.

edit - I have to conclude that some people don't like the idea of being "ruled" by foreigners, which is ironic considering the British Royal Family is basically German and Greek.
 
I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this.
Those arguments are paper thin nonsense.

Though I’m sure you’re not offended to hear that given you’re not actually a brexiteer. *wink*