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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Just for clarity, the amendment that's just been narrowly passed by 4 votes:
Tabled by the West Midlands MPs Caroline Spelman and Jack Dromey and backed by senior figures from all sides of the Commons including Sir Oliver Letwin, Hilary Benn, Nick Boles and Yvette Cooper, as well as all 11 members of the Independent Group, this amendment simply rejects a no-deal Brexit at any time and under any circumstances.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mpt-rule-out-no-deal-revoke-article-50-brexit
 
I’m still a bit confused. There’s still a bunch of ways we could get no deal:

  1. MPs reject extension
  2. EU reject extension
  3. With or without extension, if we don’t get a parliamentary majority to some deal
 
The second amendment that's being voted on right now is the "Malthouse Compromise":
Tabled by a group of Conservative MPs drawn from both leave and remain wings of the party, this amendment calls for a delay to Brexit day from 29 March to 22 May to give time for preparations to leave without a deal. It says the government should then offer a “standstill” agreement with the EU and its member states, lasting up to the end of 2021 at the latest, during which the UK would pay into EU budgets and observe legal obligations while a permanent relationship is negotiated.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mpt-rule-out-no-deal-revoke-article-50-brexit

It's fairly meaningless, IMO.
 
So to get it right, the motion (excluding a no deal brexit) was amended to make it even clearer and now they are voting that the government should try to avoid no deal by exploring the malthouse option with the EU?
I am new to British parliamentary process, so I am asking for help to understand it...
 
Brexit feels like a plane being flown by Stevie Wonder trying to land in fierce crosswinds and zero visibility with Helen Keller on ATC.

Blind leading the effing blind.
 
Yup, unreal how close that is. If you didn't know it already, we're fecked. The MPs are a bunch of feckwits
 
It speaks volumes of our MP's that it was only a 4 vote margin in favour of the only logical and sensible option on the table.
 
Tucholsky said:
So to get it right, the motion (excluding a no deal brexit) was amended to make it even clearer and now they are voting that the government should try to avoid no deal by exploring the malthouse option with the EU?
I am new to British parliamentary process, so I am asking for help to understand it...
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Yes, although in effect they tend to be the same as the main motion. If there was a majority for the amendment the main motion should pass
 
The one advantage of these votes is that it gives cover for no deal not to be included in any referendum, not that we'll get one.
 
Am I wrong, or isn't this just votes on amendments?

Majority of 4 on Spelman/Dromey will translate to a higher majority on the actual motion.
 
sun_tzu said:
If they can only get a majority of 4 against no deal I have no idea how they will get a majority for anything?
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They were whipped for it though i think? they won't be whipped for the main motion
 
They passed EXACTLY the same amendment in January (by 7 votes that time), so why is it necessary to do it again? They can just ignore the first time for ‘reasons’?
 
Do the people who didn't vote to reject no deal want no deal, or is there more nuance to it - could there be another reason not to rule it out? Seems an oddly large number of people...
 
Wouldnt it be a bittersweet irony if the gov't came out and said that because it was such a slight margin of victory, they werent going to respect the vote on the amendment...
 
NinjaFletch said:
Am I wrong, or isn't this just votes on amendments?

Majority of 4 on Spelman/Dromey will translate to a higher majority on the actual motion.
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Yes, that's right. The Government didn't want their hands tied by "no deal to never happen under any circumstances". It hasn't worked (by a very slim margin).
 
Amendment A wasn't a free vote though was it?

Those commenting on how close it was, Amendment A wasn't a free vote was it?
 
Rees Mogg dealing out the 'this isn't binding, it's not law' line.

Bit like the referendum dickhead.
 
Penna said:
The Tories whipped against it.
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Appreciated but even still. This was a question of morality on the countries best interest first and foremost. Any risk of jobs following a revolt against the whips would be swept aside by an invitation to join the Independent Group anyway.
 
Gov apparently now going to whip against their motion.
 
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