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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Is it me or do these two on the BBC sound exactly like Sandi Toksvig and Richard Ayode (latter looks like a distant relative too)?
 
Narrow margin of victory for a non-legally binding vote....sounds familiar. Funny to watch the likes of JRM poo-poo it now.
 
fecking disgrace. People who still are for brexit/tories should be sectioned.
 
Walrus said:
We know that the leave vote was overwhelmingly carried by the older generations. I am not too worried about riots etc. I would rather a few people get offended and feel betrayed, than the entire country gets fecked.

Putting it another way - surely following through with Brexit despite all of the warning signs, sets a very dangerous precedent that we [the country] arent interested in experts, and that public opinion must always be right.

There is a popular (and largely inaccurate) phrase that "the customer is always right". If you offered a referendum on drastically cutting taxes, people would vote for it. If you offered a referendum on massively increasing spending on the NHS, people would vote for it. Unfortunately neither of these scenarios might turn out to actually be feasible or realistic. Just because someone wants something, doesn't always mean they need to get it. This is a basic lesson taught to children.

A slightly more cynical and controversial note is on the very nature of capitalist democracy at the moment. We have seen in the USA and in the UK that the truth doesn't really seem to matter any more - what matters is marketing, appealing to the lowest common denominator and rallying people to your banner at any cost. These behaviors have now utterly eclipsed any notion of "doing the right thing" or "the greater good" when it comes to winning votes, sadly.

There is an ideological question here of what the purpose of our MPs (and other countries equivalents) actually is. Is it to implement the "will of the people" at all costs, or is it to do what they believe is best for the people they represent? Ideally the two should of course be aligned, but when they aren't - what do you do then? This is frankly a bigger question even than Brexit. It is a question of ideology and of the very nature of our democracy.
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This post reminds me something, @Pogue Mahone have you listened the Blindboy's episode about propaganda, marketing and Freud nephew? It was very interesting.
 
Penna said:
This is astonishing stuff if you're interested in the workings of Parliament. A Government whipping against its own motion?
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Forcing MPs to vote against something they literally voted for 20 minutes ago.
 
Is there any effective difference between a whipped vote and a free vote? Tory MP's seem to be voting whichever way they like anyway...

At some point it's better to stop pretending?
 
I haven't been paying attention to any of this mess. So i'll just assume the Government is fecked which has been my standard assumption for the previous 10 years.
 
How much do all these inbred toffs get paid and they can't keep their traps shut while someone's talking.
 
Thank god we'll soon have 100% of our power in the hands of this shower. That'll really sort out the country.
 
Minimalist said:
Thank god we'll soon have 100% of our power in the hands of this shower. That'll really sort out the country.
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Yeah, this is the thing I don't understand. Brexit is about people voting to give more power to the people they are unsatisfied with.
 
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