If they wanted to vote against the whip, they'd have to resign.
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If they wanted to vote against the whip, they'd have to resign.
So was the referendum...
Majority of 210 for No.
Every day we reach new lows from our elected politicians.
They are intent on playing games with their people's jobs and livelihood simply for their own gratification and ego.
I just hope that our people will remember this shameful episode.
164/374 against second amendment, which was a stupid one anyway.
At least they're getting some exercise.
Can anybody translate that into simple language for someone not familiar with nuances of the UK gov. system? What does it all mean?
F Smashed to peices
So a extension and more of the same .
Quite correct. For it to become legally binding it will need to be translated into legislation.
The govt is a joke
Government were originally going to have a free vote for the main "take no deal from table" motion, meaning ministers could choose how to vote, but now that it's been amended, the government are going to make their MPs vote against it, meaning ministers cannot vote for it without resigning.
So what happens now?
Surely they're not actually whipping against it. There's feck all upside and huge downside
You are not wrong.
Brexit is essentially cancelled now. Will be revoked or extended.
The intention of the Government was to have a free vote on their motion tonight. That means their MPs can vote any way they see fit. Now that an amendment to that motion has been narrowly passed to say no-deal should be ruled out under any circumstances and must never happen, the Government doesn't want its own motion to pass, because they don't want that amendment.
So, they remove the free vote on the main motion and instead "whip" it, which means Tory MPs are instructed which way to vote. Basically, it would be the Government voting down its own original motion. Cabinet Ministers have to be loyal, so if they wanted to vote the other way they'd have to step down from their Cabinet posts.
(edit - I'm not sure if they are whipping the vote, but it seems as if they might be now that the first amendment was agreed).
He is correct. The current law is that the UK will leave the EU on 29/3 whether or not their is a deal and as we all know the deal has been rejected.
Good luck
Our system is confusing as feck at the best of times, but you've jumped right in at the deep end.
The gov said earlier if it passed they'd pass the neccesary legislation to change the date.
I know that.
This last one sounds like a contradiction. It rules out No Deal and accepts No Deal as the default?
I know and understand the hypocrisy of the whole thing.
Yesterday May said she would allow a free vote and now is enforcing the whip. More double talk.
They offered a free vote... But have now decided to instruct people to vote against... If you hold a government post and vote against the instruction (the whip) you are by convention supposed to resign (or again in theory be sacked)
cowards
So May might bring back her deal for another vote. What a joke
Wait.. so there's a second vote because Brexiteers didn't get the result they wanted?
Seems all very serious (sackings and what not) for something some people keep saying is legally meaningless.
Rees Mogg making the best of a bad night for him.
Grieve said he'd resign the whip if the Tories began to back no deal. And if they three-line whip against this vote... they're backing no deal.
That doesn't seem very... democratic? A minister should have an own opinion and vote at all time. Weird, never heard about this before.
...you serious? This is politics 101 - they follow the party line.
4 cabinet members ignored the whip by abstaining.
his most iconic moment in all this was voting against his amendment to the withdrawal bill, he's a textbook coward
I'm confused
Taking back control, they said
Yes of course. But as you will know passing a motion into law requires approval from both HoC and HoL and then needs Royal Ascent. All of which takes time.