Delay and GE seems to be doing the rounds.
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Delay and GE/2nd ref quite likely imo.
Delay and GE seems more likely to me than a second ref.
The GE will essentially be a second referendum anyway, Labour will likely be the remain party and Conservatives pushing their brexit deal.
The woman is fecking eedyat... I could say worse but no need. Y'all know...
Nah that would be too sensible.
I imagine that's what'll happen. Or they'll push their brexit lite and promise that.
I think a second referendum will be far too divisive, and really accomplish nothing at all, other than further issues.
Odds on No Deal getting shot down?
Very likely. It's what the people voting for it think it actually means that is the problem.
I dont think a GE would accomplish anything much either. Labour will not be the party of remain while Corbyn is in charge, their Brexit policy is nonsensical if not completely incoherent. Both parties are utterly divided by Brexit, so a vote for either of them isnt a clear mandate for any course of action in particular.
What's the point of GE in any case, the EU must be growing really tired of this and just want to move on one way or the other?
So basically, it's Mays deal or no deal. A second referendum would cause major issues, especially if it's close again.
If a GE won't sort anything, then where do they go from here. You can't just revoke A50 and tell 17 million people that their vote was worthless and stupid and then beg for the same peoples votes in an election?
Labour wouldnt want to lose any seats in Brexit areas so they will promote their own Brexit deal and we will be back to square one.
I honestly dont know. Im starting to think no deal is the likely outcome, because its what happens if nobody can agree to any other course of action, and it doesnt look like they can.
I think a referendum makes more sense than a GE, personally, because at least you get a clear answer, even if its close. But that isnt to say its likely, or that there are no problems with it. And even if we did go that route, the end destination is probably the same anyway. I suspect if you asked the country to choose between no deal and no brexit, they would choose no deal.
More ammo for #indyref2
I think we needed someone who "understood" Europe to be in charge of the Government during the negotiations. I see Mrs May as quintessentially old-style English, which might be helpful in some circumstances but not in these.
Let this train just crash ffs!
Pulling the plug and remaining is looking like an option to me. No instrument of the UK Parliament can solve this.
Whilst I don't think Labour would run a remain campaign, I do think they could possibly run a 2nd ref campaign and go from there.
May saying people haven't changed their minds on leaving the eu as she tries to get MPs to change their minds on her deal.
With Corbyn as leader I don't think it could run to the bus stop.
It's almost at the end of the line.
Labour will never campaign as a remain party with Corbyn in charge.
"I wish we were having a referendum in Britain" - JC on the Lisbon Treaty in 2004.
"I wish we were having a referendum in Britain" - JC on the Lisbon Treaty in 2004.
I don't know whether I should be happy, sad or indifferent to today's events.
Yea timing wise we have properly lucked out...
Labour will never run a remain campaign, I highly doubt they'd even run a second referendum one. A hell of a lot of their voters are also the ones who voted leave too, they aren't going to change.
Which leaves the question for those of us who are still slightly sane, who the hell do we vote for if GE comes up again?
Which leaves the question for those of us who are still slightly sane, who the hell do we vote for if GE comes up again?
No thanks, we've run away to Europe!Penna to Number 10?
I wonder if this new Independent Group might try to actually become a new party and field candidates?
That's the aim, surely? Whether it will succeed or not is a question, but it has to try or what was the point?
Only 35% of Labour voters voted Leave. So feck the 65% who didn't?
I honestly don't see it. They'll have the same agenda regarding the EU and the popular vote.
It strikes me as incredibly strange that most politicians seem to want brexit, yet how many people don't trust politicians? How bizarre then that you'd vote for something both major parties pushed for, let alone nearly all the others. Basically, if all those in power wanted the same thing, surely that's pause for thought as to why?
Why wouldn't they change their stance then? Why is Corbyn still very much leave?
So why did the 65% vote Labour when it has been completely obvious that Corbyn is pro-Brexit.
Tory and Labour tribalism has ripped the UK apart.
But most MPs were remainers.
True. But because a solution to the Irish border is equally against the EU on the Irish side of the border, the disaster would equally impinge on the EU.
Anyway it appears that the ERG, Labour and the DUP are hell bent on voting against the WA.
As I mentioned earlier I despair.
Were they, were they really?
Seems kind of odd then that we are still heading for Brexit...
Because the FPTP system meant that voting Lib Dem was, in many constituencies, essentially a vote for the Tories.