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What is your evidence for any of your speculations and on what timescale are they supposed to happen.

The to.escakes are roughly from 2030 to at least the end of the century

I can't quote you recent economic trade trends to answer a timescale thst has many factors thst cause uncertainty , but I can state what I believe are abilities that help a national economy thrive in a changing global economy

I've highlighted some of those in the previous post. But as a quick sum, I don't believe Europe will grow as quick as other parts of the world and it is currently based on a culture of protectionism. Those two key components are not a good mix for long term prosperity
 
That is just a Brexit fantasy wet dream. Leaving will be a very expensive disaster. How we leave will only determine just how big a disaster.

I presume you have high hopes for the economic prosperity of the EU for the next 80 - 100 years. Or Is that too long term?
 
I wasn't asking you to ask me a question, I was asking if your earlier ad homienem post has a question

I will give you the courtesy of an answer as your request was polite.

If you are asking if I would want to sign up to an agreement of freedom of movement with a large body of nations of Europe - then its a no. Control over immigration is key to prosperity, some will call it selfish, but I want the following two things:

A) The ability of the UK to select skilled labour (or our specific labour needs at that time) that directly benefits our economy. This is along with the side benefits of enriching our culture and sustaining ageing communities with new people (across the Isles preferably, not in concentrated areas like the current situation)

B) The ability to control 'dependents' on the welfare state, so as to maintain or increase the standard of services offered


But that is YOUR Brexit. Not other's people brexit. Shouldn't the government asked for which kind of brexit?
 
I presume you have high hopes for the economic prosperity of the EU for the next 80 - 100 years. Or Is that too long term?

Not long term enough. I'd like the peace and stability that we have enjoyed since the war to continue and the relative peace achieved in Ireland to improve further.
 
But that is YOUR Brexit. Not other's people brexit. Shouldn't the government asked for which kind of brexit?

They could also ask for which type of Remain as well.

Then whoever wins, the losing side can moan

Then have another referendum

And do the same again


Hence my viewpoint on neverendums and what amounts to national indecision
 

What is really sad is these markets where they are aspiring to improve their sales.

The biggest sales at the moment (while the UK is in the EU) to the USA and China for example are cars.
Leaving the EU will mean the car manufacturers leave the UK so they won't have any cars to sell. Logic goes out the window.
 
They could also ask for which type of Remain as well.

Then whoever wins, the losing side can moan

Then have another referendum

And do the same again


Hence my viewpoint on neverendums and what amounts to national indecision

So, you are saying that this referendum didn't have to be done
 
Yes you did.

You are saying with the neveredum that you can't go asking people all the option. And one of the options is remain or leave so the referendum is part of the neverendum that you don't want.

You claim that remainers want to try till it goes their way

Aren't you doing the same as you just want to stop now because it goes your way?
 
Yes you did.

You are saying with the neveredum that you can't go asking people all the option. And one of the options is remain or leave so the referendum is part of the neverendum that you don't want.

You claim that remainers want to try till it goes their way

Aren't you doing the same as you just want to stop now because it goes your way?

Circumstances brought the country to a referendum. Leave was voted in.

To revisit the result so soon undermines democracy and incubates the disease of a neverendum

I really have no more to say to you on this particular matter.
 
Circumstances brought the country to a referendum. Leave was voted in.

To revisit the result so soon undermines democracy and incubates the disease of a neverendum

I really have no more to say to you on this particular matter.

Is shown that the leave campaign was financed with illicit money. That lies were told like the 350 millions for the NHS and many other lies. They didn't take in account the GFA, the delays on customs, losing the FTA and many others

You claim that circumstances brought the country to a referemdum. Leave was voted in

Many others claims that the circumstances I state above are circumstances that should bring the country to a referendum. The result should be respected under this new circumstances

Don't you think you are waving another referendum under the same circumstances and reasons?

Is a pitty that you are leaving this way. One might think you don't like solid arguments
 
Is shown that the leave campaign was financed with illicit money. That lies were told like the 350 millions for the NHS and many other lies. They didn't take in account the GFA, the delays on customs, losing the FTA and many others

You claim that circumstances brought wht country to a referemdum. Leave was voted in

Many others claims that the circumstances I state above are circumstances that should bring the country to a referendum

Don't you think you are waving another referendum under the same circumstances and reasons?

Is a pitty that you are leaving this way. One might thought you don't like solid arguments

I feel sorry for the amount of tin foil wasted in the production of this post
 
I feel sorry for the amount of tin foil wasted in the production of this post

Well. you reach the cul-de-sac that brexiters reach when faced with arguments on a second referendum. In reality is more simple. why so afraid of a second one?

was nice to chat with a brexit cliche
 
Who said that? Farage and Mogg both proposed further votes if they lost.

David Cameron, the Prime Minister when he announced the vote. The referendum was a manifesto promise in 2015 when he won a majority of seats.



He also said "“I am absolutely clear a referendum is a referendum, it’s a once in a generation, once in a lifetime opportunity and the result determines the outcome"

Furthermore, in 2017 both the Tories and Labour were explicit in their manifestos that they would enact Brexit
 
A question. The referendum said that exiting the EU would mean ending free of Movement? what means brexit?

Leave is very clear. It means that the UK would no loner be a party to the Treaty of Rome, as amended at Maastrict and Lisbon.

Anything contained in those treaties would cease to apply, that's what "leave the european union" means.
 
David Cameron, the Prime Minister when he announced the vote. The referendum was a manifesto promise in 2015 when he won a majority of seats.



He also said "“I am absolutely clear a referendum is a referendum, it’s a once in a generation, once in a lifetime opportunity and the result determines the outcome"

Furthermore, in 2017 both the Tories and Labour were explicit in their manifestos that they would enact Brexit

yeah but he also said he doesn't feck pigs so
 
You are struggling to form an opinion when presented with an alternate viewpoint, an understandable condition. Unfortunate but understandable
:lol: You are contradicting yourself within a few post. Desperate times.
 
Given that neither won a majority you can argue both of those manifestos were rejected by the will of the people and therefore are as relavant as nick cleggs manifesto on tuition fees

While the '2nd ref opportunists'' got a handful of counties between them. So the will of the people was against remain by your logic

Also, the logic of a real and direct vote was leave
 
These fairytale versions of Brexit, why is there never a roadmap? It's always 'I believe thing is going to happen and its going to be a success... I don't know how it's going to happen but trust me... I believe!'

And they have the nerve not to expect any pushback...
 
These fairytale versions of Brexit, why is there never a roadmap? It's always 'I believe thing is going to happen and its going to be a success... I don't know how it's going to happen but trust me... I believe!'

And they have the nerve not to expect any pushback...

Have you a roadmap of how the EU will take Britain to continued prosperity until at least 2100 please? As i've not seen one presented

I'd also be interested in how that roadmap to a utopian existence will address the problem of discrimination against ethnic groups and the use of racial based terminology in everyday language. As an example, using a term such as 'White Crusaders' to describe a perceived negative issue of western/ European people offering charity to deprived areas of Africa, even though such a 'problem' could be conducted by people of multiple ethnicities
 
Given that neither won a majority you can argue both of those manifestos were rejected by the will of the people and therefore are as relavant as nick cleggs manifesto on tuition fees

Not on this topic as they both said the same thing
 
Have you a roadmap of how the EU will take Britain to continued prosperity until at least 2100 please? As i've not seen one presented

I'd also be interested in how that roadmap to a utopian existence will address the problem of discrimination against ethnic groups and the use of racial based terminology in everyday language. As an example, using a term such as 'White Crusaders' to describe a perceived negative issue of western/ European people offering charity to deprived areas of Africa, even though such a 'problem' could be conducted by people of multiple ethnicities


You: We've got to jump off this perfectly fine ship and swim out into the sea looking for land. For reasons...

Me: Do you have a map, location or destination?

You: ...Do you have a map, location or destination?

Me: ......I don't need one, this ship knows where its going...

You: ..........Blows raspberry...


But seriously, it's amazing that you keep playing that (white people) victim card...

Nothing to add as usual. Well I won't derail this thread by sustained tit for tat. I'm sure people will be interested when you decide to offer an opinion on the topic of this thread
If you hadn't noticed, this thread had already slowed to a crawl due to no new news. It only picked up once you started talking shite.

Nobody wants to hear me repeat the same statements that I and others have said and listened to several times... In fact nobody wants to hear you parrot the same taking points leavers have posted before either... They probably (like me) checked in on the off chance you might say something different, interesting, debate worthy..... Alas... I'll leave y'all too it....
 
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You: We've got to jump off this perfectly fine ship and swim out into the sea looking for land. For reasons...

Me: Do you have a map, location or destination?

You: ...Do you have a map, location or destination?

Me: ......I don't need one, this ship knows where its going...

You: ..........Blows raspberry...


But seriously, it's amazing that you keep playing that (white people) victim card...

Nothing to add as usual. Well I won't derail this thread by sustained tit for tat.

I'm sure people will be interested when you decide to offer an opinion on the topic of this thread
 
Leave is very clear. It means that the UK would no loner be a party to the Treaty of Rome, as amended at Maastrict and Lisbon.

Anything contained in those treaties would cease to apply, that's what "leave the european union" means.

So not wanting the freedom of Movement is something extra that the May added on quitting the EU, because FoM is about the EEA and not the EU.

So why you don't leave the EU staying on the EEA is beyond my comprehension. The Referendum said nothing about the EEA and the four freedoms

Do you agree?
 
So not wanting the freedom of Movement is something extra that the May added on quitting the EU, because FoM is about the EEA and not the EU.

So why you don't leave the EU staying on the EEA is beyond my comprehension. The Referendum said nothing about the EEA and the four freedoms

Do you agree?

I do.

But we have a parliament half full of incompetent children who can’t be bothered to deal with serious issues, and half full of lying malevolent shits who won’t listen to any reason.
 
There's 2 million people now eligible to vote who weren't at the last ref and they'll be more impacted than anyone (especially all those old folk dead)....yet the leavetards in here think that sticking to a 2 year old vote that's proved undeliverable without asking 'are you sure?' Is the democratic path?

It should nullify any further points from them.