It's seems this echo chamber does not like alternate views, plenty of sheep for the EU sausage machine
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This is not a echo chamber and we are no sheep. You have not raised any point that hasn't been addressed 15times in this very thread. You just repeat the same lies and empty phrases again and again.
You cannot expect anybody to take you serious if you add nothing to the discussion that hasn't been debunked in 2016. You are simply wasting everyone's time.
I know people like you don't like the truth so I don't expect you to like this either. I'm fine with that.
I expected as much from a remoaner
From what I can see he's entirely correct about everything
What do you mean, that if I don't agree with you I should say nothing and not engage in trying to discuss? why are you in a forum? do you think you would change someones mind? did you come with your mind open to change?
DOn't be and hypocrite
Just like yours when you reference me
Discuss what? Have you asked me a question today?
No wonder there is deadlock when remoaner is considered a valid response.
The referendum woldn't be rigged and I'd think a sensible option would be 2 questions. Something like,
1) Leave or stay
If the result is leave then
2) deal or no deal.
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Name one thing , I must have missed it.
plenty of sheep is plural and they asked questions. suit yourself.
And yes. I did. Why the fuss?
Why you think the referendum should be respected if it was not binding? this shouldn't be happening on the first place. it was just consultative
Irrelevant. Especially as we are in deadlock.
How about we make a pile and set billions of pounds on fire.
Even if they were a party yet why would they want to.do that? Brexit could be in a few days time.
It's the closet thing we have had to a public say on the EU in 40+ years. Absolute waste of people's time If it is ignored
The content of my reference to you is that discussing you is pointless. I feel sorry for you, honestly, I do. I have accepted that you (and many like you) actually believe that ignorant message that your record player keeps skipping back too. I feel you, you can't help yourself and have decided it's better to take your country with you into your abyss than to stay there alone. (How much worse can it get, ey!?)
I pity your poor compatriots more though, those losing their jobs because of your (and others) personal problems. Those who feel their future chances are lessened by people who have repeatedly lied to them to deliver something no one ever voted for. There must be a young generation of British kids who have now come to know 'democracy' as a word to scream whenever they are challenged with logic.
I'll give you two.
The need to respect the result of the largest public vote ever held in the UK, prior to the vote, we were told, you will vote once and your decision implemented. Thast's not a promise that can be broken without consequence.
Also, the fact that the EU today with 28 member states bears little resemblance to the entity the UK joined in the early 70s. The eastward expansion after the fall of the Soviet empire, and the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties fundamentally altered the nature of the EU. I know "ever closer union" is in the Treaty of Rome but theory and practice are different things.
The entire thing could have been avoided if a referendum on the ratification of Lisbon had been held, like was promised.
Who said that? Farage and Mogg both proposed further votes if they lost.
Regarding the referendum, I don't agree that such a major decision should be put to the people when they clearly understand so little about it, at the time and still now. I personally do not think there will be another referendum. There's no guarantee the result would be different anyway but why are Leavers frightened of it?
The Treaty of Rome is being put into practice, the theory is becoming practice - in 1975 my hope was that the whole of Europe would become part of it - was not expecting the Soviet bloc to tumble so quickly but thankfully it did. The Uk agreed to all this.
No-one limited the number of countries and the objective was to expand. Hopefully there will be more joining.
What I don't see whatsoever is how the UK can possibly benefit from leaving the EU. And nobody can say beyond clichés spouted by the RW press.
You mean... a... neverendum!?!?!?
This is the kind of childish buzzword that’s been bandied around by Nigel Farage and leavers. Up there with “neverendum” and “project fear”. Childish bollocks bingo
Three-quarters of newly eligible voters would back remain in second poll
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ers-want-peoples-vote-strongly-remain-survey?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ers-want-peoples-vote-strongly-remain-survey?
Right up there with “snowflake” and “libtard”. Absolutely meaningless phrases muttered when nothing else comes to mind.
Correct. Who needs a point when you have a buzzword to shout?
We should invent our own. Except on the Caf it would be "Leavetard" or worse which might make an unusual sound bite on the evening news.
Being consultative can rig the result as some people might decide not to turn to vote as it doesn't matter that much as they might think things will remain the same, making the result not valid for a binding triggering of the referendum.The referendum was a charade form the beginning.
In fairness Cameron had negotiated a deal, it just got judged as not being very good.
A question. The referendum said that exiting the EU would mean ending free of Movement? what means brexit?
I have been using "the gullibles" for a long time
Is it as bad as just using a post for pure ad homienems, instead of trying to discuss or refute a point?
Exiting the EEA means ending freedom of movement, leaving the EU doesn't necessarily mean that. Looks like they put the wrong question.
Farage, Hannan and all his mates got very confused by this.
So you can have Brexit without ending freedom of movement. Question for you @Bola as you told me to ask you questions. Would you agree with a brexit and staying at the EEA? and having freedom of movement? And be 100% honest with yourself
You tell us.
the equivalent is brextremist
Exactly, they proposed to join EFTA. That's when people should ask themselves what Brexit actually meant, the 17m of leavers didn't vote for the same conclusion, some voted for what is effectively No Deal but many voted for something entirely different and as of today we have no idea who voted for what.
For me a second referendum should have happened whether it is purely about the exit options or the possibility of withdrawing because as things stands most voters from both sides are getting screwed.
Out of your posts, I like what appears to be a genuine concern for the younger and future generations
With Brexit, they will hopefully get more democracy and greater long term prosperity. On the latter point, the freedom* of oppurtunity to sync the British economy with larger and rapidly growing economies, will hopefully generate the wealth to allow a generous 'welfare state' ** it will be much harder to do that if tied into a protectionist organisation, with a protectionists mindset that is likely already on a course to have a shrinking share of the world's economy.
History has already started to make the 'Occident' insignificant. I'd rather the younger/ future generations that will see out the best part of the 21st Centuary, will do so in an economy that is tied into the rapid growth of the 'new world'
* in this post i'm referring to a specific nuance of freedom, namely having greater ability to trade and 'freed' from the constraints of multiple internal vested interests that are associated with protectionism, and having a 30th (ish) share of say in a consortium
** I'm customising the term a little, but I'm refering to return to free education, continuation of the NHS, free elderly care. We may be able to even stretch to a higher spend on international development if enough people are up for it
But that has nothing to do with freedom of movement, backstops and the likes. Brexit can mean many things. Shouldn't be another vote to see which brexit the people wants?
What is your evidence for any of your speculations and on what timescale are they supposed to happen.
I wasn't asking you to ask me a question, I was asking if your earlier ad homienem post has a question
I will give you the courtesy of an answer as your request was polite.
If you are asking if I would want to sign up to an agreement of freedom of movement with a large body of nations of Europe - then its a no. Control over immigration is key to prosperity, some will call it selfish, but I want the following two things:
A) The ability of the UK to select skilled labour (or our specific labour needs at that time) that directly benefits our economy. This is along with the side benefits of enriching our culture and sustaining ageing communities with new people (across the Isles preferably, not in concentrated areas like the current situation)
B) The ability to control 'dependents' on the welfare state, so as to maintain or increase the standard of services offered
That is just a Brexit fantasy wet dream. Leaving will be a very expensive disaster. How we leave will only determine just how big a disaster.
