Only the Uk are leaving.
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Only the Uk are leaving.
Thats for Farage, surely ?The feck?Tusk is not holding back.
You wrote a very good post on the relationship between our two countries yesterday John but I disagree with your stance today.
The rest of Europe has pandered to Britain's stupidity for years on this issue and we've sleptwalked into this mess by letting many of your politicians and electorate away with rank stupidity.
Patience has come to an end. People are sick of being insulted by and having fruitless, repetitive arguments with idiots.
Tusk has been working tirelessly on this front day one. He has negotiated in good faith and offered concessions and solutions where he could while his British counterparts have been fecking about, steadfastly refusing to grasp the issues at hand and arguing among themselves while neglecting to offer anything like a coherent plan.
You call him arrogant for understanding the situation and growing frustrated when senior politicians who have been tasked with sorting this mess for years still don't.
Nobody outside Britain has an ounce of faith that this will sort itself out in the way you seem to, because everyone has spent the last 2-3 years watching your inept politicians grab the wrong end of the stick at every single opportunity they've been given.
My post is not irrelevant. And I am not posturing. Just like all negotiations a way will have to be found. It will inevitably involve compromise. Technology may be a part of that whether it is here now or whether it is a commitment to find it. Some can-do would not go a miss. But that is clearly missing from your vocabulary.
Of course you are posturing, you moved a conversation about the current existence of a technology into a post where you targeted me personally on things that I didn't say or think and you did it again in this post.
We are talking about having an agreement that works today, we can move to something else when the technology exist but we need to have an agreement and process today. At no point did I say that the technology would never exist.
It seems to be a recurring trend in this thread that saying “we can do this” and “a positive attitude would work wonders” will apparently make a solution to all the issues at hand magically appear. All it takes is a stiff upper lip and a ‘can do’ attitude!
On what basis should the rest of the EU trust any UK commitment "to find it"?
We're no closer to finding it today then when it was first put forward in the brexit debate some four years ago. Now you can claim that you believe it will be found soon, but if you don't make any arguments for that being the case, why should we believe it?
Another Brexiter in disguise. Fox, Davis, Farage etc. used the tone much harder than this and were mocking the EU right, left, center but once someone responds in the similar manner you can't take it? In fact, he never insulted those people that voted to leave but rather quite clearly suggests those who PROMOTED (i.e. politicians) no-plan brexit? Try reading next time.
I voted to stay. Everything inn my life past present and future was a part of that decision. I was furious with the result. I am furious with our politicians. But I am old enough to appreciate that nobody has the right to call their way the best way and to call anyone who decides not to follow it a stupid idiot. Plus like her or loathe her Theresa May has put in just as much of a shift as Tusk. Remember, for the EU this is something, for the UK it is everything.
Ireland should not have to compromise on peace because England wants something it doesn't understand. In very general terms - it's your decision to leave and you should be the one compromising.
Nobody has simply turned around and said that - maybe we all should have from the beginning but for whatever reason, Europe has worked tirelessly to try and help Britain towards a better solution. Everyone else has compromised and put the effort in to help out.
There was a proposal agreed upon in which your only "compromise" left Northern Ireland in arguably a stronger position than it was before this entire process started. You reneged on that agreement because there are elements within your political establishment who just want to watch the world burn.
Making out like this is anyone elses fault but the British is disingenuous and wrong.
I'm not a Brexiteer and I did read what Tusk said. It is not helpful to stoop to the level of Farage.
I'm not calling anyone an idiot for disagreeing with "my way". I'm calling them idiots for signing up for something they didn't understand, for reasons they still don't understand because of the empty words and promises of other idiots who don't understand anything.
OK. Well I predict that the outcome will be movement on the backstop that incorporates a commitment to technology. Let's see.
Yes, but you seem to be overly emotional for someone who voted remain regarding this matter. Then explain me how you came to conclusion he insulted 17 million people who voted to leave if he was referring to politicians primarily who promoted it without a workable plan at hand?
Absolutely it would. Brexit didn't cause the collapse of the executive but it's certainly getting in the way of restoring it for various reasons.
Any reunification referendum would need consent of both North and South and support for it in the South has always been very high. Anecdotally I can say that some fairly soft unionists have started to wonder about what the reality of reunification would be like for them, something that would never have really been a consideration before Brexit. A no-deal is a game changer for me, I've always been a nationalist fairly comfortable living under the UK jurisdiction with an Irish identity especially since the GFA. The idea of a no-deal Brexit is starting shake that comfort as I imagine it is for most nationalists here and whereas I would always have voted for reunification if and when a referendum came along I was never really of a mind to agitate for one, Brexit is changing that.
And you see while I have no issue with your prediction, it's irrelevant to the point that was made. Currently you have people that don't want the backstop and want to immediately replace it with a technology that doesn't exist in their Max fac.
The politicians that promoted Brexit are going to hell in a handcart and by extension anyone who believed them are idiots. That is the way it will be read. If you don't believe me revisit the tweet and see what is happening. He has stooped to their level.
Same here, I’m one of those ‘soft’ unionists who enjoyed the economic benefits etc
Now, well let’s just say I wouldn’t argue against a united ireland now. Though I’d still question the economics of paying for it
It’s become quite clear that despite as much bluster about the Union staying whole, it’s really just England first
It's alright to offend someone who is perpetually offended. No one will notice a difference.
That's something you decided to manufacture yourself in your head as first all he never said that, and secondly there was not even a slightest hint of that in what he said. Stop dropping to the brexiters level.
This being something that nationalists probably always knew or at least suspected but that unionists are maybe just beginning to realise.
The only real argument I have left to be unionist are, is it all I'll ever known and I dislike change and there might be some short term hardship in the transition as we have a quite high public sector workforce %.
I think whatever way Brexit goes, a border poll is fairly certain in the next few years. Im surprised there isnt even more of a clamour for it at the minute than there has been given it really does potenitally solve the problem entirely.
It'll be tricky. A couple of years ago I'd have been confident of it passing but after the shambles of Brexit, I imagine we'll all be looking more carefully at the ins and outs of any referendums and a United Ireland is going to be very, very expensive for Ireland.
There's can-do and there's cold hard reality. We need a solution in a matter of weeks!
I truly hope not GB. As well as the thousands of citizens on both sides that were sacrificed in the troubles there are a great number innocent British of citizens that paid with their lives too. Not to mention the police and soldiers.
Most people in Britain would be horrified if the government ultimately deemed that all to be for nothing.
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There's no way it'll happen. I really don't know why people keep bringing it up as some sort of feasible solution.
You think that pointing to the ineptitude of politicians that put the wheels in motion without a plan is undermining Brexit? They undermined it themselves and are causing problems to Ireland on their way out.
I think every so often an English person thinks "wait a second, I have an idea that could get us off the hook and keep those silly Irish feckers happy too".
to be fair, that notion isn't as bonkers as their other notion, for Ireland to leave the EU and join the UK instead.
Or the Donald and KimSend for Ole!
See that's just indicitive of the "England First" attitude being discussed above. Possible reunification for nationalists is not about providing a "solution" to GB for Brexit. The Irish aren't looking to take NI off your hands to do GB favour. It was raised in the context of how the potential for no deal is changing attitudes in the North towards reunification, I suggested, anecdotally, that it was making soft unionists question the future of the union, probably for the first time and golden_blunder replied in agreement. Will it ultimately push the North of Ireland toward reunification? I don't know but I don't recognise from day to day life here your certainty that it won't either.
Don't blame Tusk for losing his rag. Watching the Brexiters getting their knickers in a twist for being called out was worth the LULZ... as for @Honest John - very ironic having that username and wholeheartedly supporting the Brexit bunch.
WeasteDevil used to say this all the time too, and it didn't make a good argument then either.
Not true. I am merely advocating that Tusk should not have said what he did. It is stooping to Farage levels.
Plus the EU's record for planning is not that brilliant.
Now some reports are saying it was a deliberate ploy. If so, it will be in danger of backfiring.
When this is over I actually think that there is a case for the ROI rejoining the Commonwealth.
@Honest John was the only thing stopping you from voting Brexit was the business you own?
Holy Jesus the delusion.
It's like the unpopular kid got invited to the cool party, got way too drunk and started insulting people before deciding to flounce.
Got caught trying to raid the bar on the way out and got roughed up a bit, then later snuck back in to try and entice other kids to his new, "cooler party" in his mums basement!