atkar83
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There's no reason for him to be as big as he is. If he leaned out he may be faster and react quicker. Right now he's too lumbering. Any shots to the corners will most likely go in
Never.How many times has Onana pulled off a save and you think “wow, he had no business saving that”?
I can’t think of any.
We had that time and again with De Gea, even in his latter years at the club. That’s the difference between an average keeper and a great keeper.
De Gea was the difference so many times in games we should have lost or drawn. He quantifiably earned us points we wouldn’t have got otherwise.
I don’t see that with Onana at all. A club like Manchester United cannot have an average goalkeeper. The whole foundation of a successful, winning team is built on having a great goalkeeper.
Never.
All these percentage stats showing he made the most saves are pointless catches down the middle or exaggerated dives for shots down the middle. Someone puts the ball either side of him and it’s a goal 9 times out of 10.
Always a mistake or two from being called the worst keeper in the league, as if he's not the same guy who had one of the best save percentages in the league last year when our defense was open like a sieve.
When you're biased you always come out looking like right idiots
He's had a few great saves.How many times has Onana pulled off a save and you think “wow, he had no business saving that”?
I can’t think of any.
We had that time and again with De Gea, even in his latter years at the club. That’s the difference between an average keeper and a great keeper.
De Gea was the difference so many times in games we should have lost or drawn. He quantifiably earned us points we wouldn’t have got otherwise.
I don’t see that with Onana at all. A club like Manchester United cannot have an average goalkeeper. The whole foundation of a successful, winning team is built on having a great goalkeeper.
Always a mistake or two from being called the worst keeper in the league, as if he's not the same guy who had one of the best save percentages in the league last year when our defense was open like a sieve.
When you're biased you always come out looking like right idiots
As if it's level headed or sensible to judge a United keeper, or a player for that matter by his first few months at the club.It's almost like he has very little credit in the bank because he was almost single handidly responsible for knocking us out of the champions league through a series of high profile errors.
Yeah I know, it's just incredibly pathetic when the bias and hypocrisy comes out full frontal at once.I think there's a big chunk of the fanbase who have made their mind up and decided that for a keeper, it's still the shot-stopping abilities that matter the most, and no matter how much evidence there is in favour of this not being true at all, they can't be convinced about it.
I don't see anyone claiming Onana is a world class, or even good shot-stopper. I myself have defended him for a year now, and yet always admitted that part of his game is average at best, but it's still no use explaining how he helps the team in possession, and in the build up. People just don't want to see it, despite 9 out of 10 successful managers at the highest level these days preferring a technical keeper with average shot-stopping over a world class shot-stopper who cannot use their feet and cannot pass.
To be fair he should of got across quicker before the ball was struckSome of you people are nuts. The Salah goal was pretty much an impossible situation. Even if he overcommitted to the left side Salah could just pass it into the other corner whilst Onana's momentum was taking him one way.
Yeah I know, it's just incredibly pathetic when the bias and hypocrisy comes out full frontal at once.
But he's not good enough with his feet to make up for glaring deficiencies with his gloves. So much talk about how he helps the build up, but when it's pointed out that we're not scoring any more freely than we did, the same people point to a dysfunctional midfield. In certain people's eyes Onana can't be blamed for anything because his supposed ball playing abilities make up for his housekeeping deficiencies, but we're not able to unlock those because of the rest of our team.I think there's a big chunk of the fanbase who have made their mind up and decided that for a keeper, it's still the shot-stopping abilities that matter the most, and no matter how much evidence there is in favour of this not being true at all, they can't be convinced about it.
I don't see anyone claiming Onana is a world class, or even good shot-stopper. I myself have defended him for a year now, and yet always admitted that part of his game is average at best, but it's still no use explaining how he helps the team in possession, and in the build up. People just don't want to see it, despite 9 out of 10 successful managers at the highest level these days preferring a technical keeper with average shot-stopping over a world class shot-stopper who cannot use their feet and cannot pass.
What exactly do you think a keep helping with the build up looks like?But he's not good enough with his feet to make up for glaring deficiencies with his gloves. So much talk about how he helps the build up, but when it's pointed out that we're not scoring any more freely than we did, the same people point to a dysfunctional midfield. In certain people's eyes Onana can't be blamed for anything because his supposed ball playing abilities make up for his housekeeping deficiencies, but we're not able to unlock those because of the rest of our team.
But he's not good enough with his feet to make up for glaring deficiencies with his gloves. So much talk about how he helps the build up, but when it's pointed out that we're not scoring any more freely than we did, the same people point to a dysfunctional midfield. In certain people's eyes Onana can't be blamed for anything because his supposed ball playing abilities make up for his housekeeping deficiencies, but we're not able to unlock those because of the rest of our team.
Accurate short passing and being comfortable playing riskier passes into midfield with higher upside (eg bypassing the press). Having the vision to play those passes. The ability to play long when needed. He's demonstrated some of that sporadically but nowhere near enough to offset how bad he is at actual goalkeeping.What exactly do you think a keep helping with the build up looks like?
Some of you people are nuts. The Salah goal was pretty much an impossible situation. Even if he overcommitted to the left side Salah could just pass it into the other corner whilst Onana's momentum was taking him one way.
Yep, he is built like a footballer from the 1990s. So unathletic it's ridiculous in this day and age.There's no reason for him to be as big as he is. If he leaned out he may be faster and react quicker. Right now he's too lumbering. Any shots to the corners will most likely go in
Always a mistake or two from being called the worst keeper in the league, as if he's not the same guy who had one of the best save percentages in the league last year when our defense was open like a sieve.
When you're biased you always come out looking like right idiots
Accurate short passing and being comfortable playing riskier passes into midfield with higher upside (eg bypassing the press). Having the vision to play those passes. The ability to play long when needed. He's demonstrated some of that sporadically but nowhere near enough to offset how bad he is at actual goalkeeping.
Maybe @Rojofiam phrased it better - he's not good enough with his feet to outweigh his inability with gloves for us. Frankly, I don't think he's good enough for a top team with his gloves regardless of how good he is with his feet.
Accurate short passing and being comfortable playing riskier passes into midfield with higher upside (eg bypassing the press). Having the vision to play those passes. The ability to play long when needed. He's demonstrated some of that sporadically but nowhere near enough to offset how bad he is at actual goalkeeping.
Maybe @Rojofiam phrased it better - he's not good enough with his feet to outweigh his inability with gloves for us. Frankly, I don't think he's good enough for a top team with his gloves regardless of how good he is with his feet.
I'd say he does those things very well when we position for it. You can see the trust he has for Mainoo with some of the passes he gives him.Accurate short passing and being comfortable playing riskier passes into midfield with higher upside (eg bypassing the press). Having the vision to play those passes. The ability to play long when needed. He's demonstrated some of that sporadically but nowhere near enough to offset how bad he is at actual goalkeeping.
Maybe @Rojofiam phrased it better - he's not good enough with his feet to outweigh his inability with gloves for us. Frankly, I don't think he's good enough for a top team with his gloves regardless of how good he is with his feet.
I mean that’s the biggest problem. He’s a fecking shit keeper for us. His passing may be great, but it doesn’t help us. His sweeping may be good but it doesn’t help us.I'd say he's more than good enough to make up for his shot-stopping deficiences in a system that wants to control their games, and have a lot of possession. Right now, we are going direct at the very first opportunity. That kind of game plan has nothing to do with Onana's strengths. We're not even looking to keep the ball for a bit, and every player is just hoofing the ball upwards, including Onana. It's obviously a tactical instruction, and a bad one.
Could say that for near enough everyoneI think he'll be a goner when we get a new manager in. He just hasn't worked out, whatsoever.
Could say that for near enough everyone
I think he'll be a goner when we get a new manager in. He just hasn't worked out, whatsoever.
Yeah it's odd really, the angle from behind the goal shows it best. The out of context picture that's being shared on social media is nonsense, he is dead centre of the goal when Salah struck the ball. You'd want your goalkeeper to be slightly further over towards the near-post obviously but the reality is the ball has moved swiftly from left to right. He had set himself for the shot from Szoboszlai, which meant he was a split second slower moving across than you'd ordinarily expect and then he hasn't taken the extra step he'd normally take towards the near-post because he's expected Salah to curl it towards the far post as is his trademark really, and had he done so he would have been wrong footed completely. Essentially he's played the odds twice and lost both times which is unfortunate, and the reality is if Dalot was in position then he's well positioned for the shot from Szoboszlai which was really his main concern at that moment. I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch but I don't think it's overly fair to be losing our heads over that goal in particular.Some of you people are nuts. The Salah goal was pretty much an impossible situation. Even if he overcommitted to the left side Salah could just pass it into the other corner whilst Onana's momentum was taking him one way.
To be fair to him, that is also down to the players receiving the passes. Watching his Inter games, he would quite often ping passes right through the middle to one of the strikers who would lay it off first time to the supporting striker/midfielder. We barely ever set up like that/create those scenarios.
His shot stopping is bang average though, and he's so often in a position where he has absolutely no chance. I don't know how to explain it but he always looks "small", and it's not just cuz of his height. Raya is shorter but still makes himself so much bigger when defending close shots.
I'd say he does those things very well when we position for it. You can see the trust he has for Mainoo with some of the passes he gives him.
Ultimately a keeper isn't going to turn the team into a great footballing team by themselves though.
I don't think it's unfair to say you don't think he's good enough, but this thread was bumped after the Liverpool game with people slating him. If he prevents any of those goals it's with incredibly good saves.
It feels weird to be critical of the keeper for not doing that, rather than looking at why we're presenting those opportunities to the opposition. It happened a lot last season as well.