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Are Tweedledee and Tweedledum going to debate Brexit, or just carry on pretending it's not destroying the economy?

UK clothing sales to EU plummet as Brexit red tape deters exporters

Small and medium-sized firms badly hit as huge drop in apparel sales helps fuel 18% slide in all-non food exports

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...les-eu-crash-brexit-red-tape-deters-exporters

In the end, it was a huge success for who campaigned for brexit and we call them stupid.

All the time that i here about these news is mostly small and medium industries. Sure some big will be affected but most of them temporarly while they will take over the market vaccum that the small business will leave
 
'The Office for Budgetary Responsibility has estimated that Brexit will reduce GDP by 4 per cent over 15 years from 2016 – swiping around £100bn from the economy.'

How is that, in any way shape or form, a success?
 
'The Office for Budgetary Responsibility has estimated that Brexit will reduce GDP by 4 per cent over 15 years from 2016 – swiping around £100bn from the economy.'

How is that, in any way shape or form, a success?
They will just tell people that's a good thing, and they're too thick to know otherwise. Rinse and repeat.
 
Are Tweedledee and Tweedledum going to debate Brexit, or just carry on pretending it's not destroying the economy?

UK clothing sales to EU plummet as Brexit red tape deters exporters

Small and medium-sized firms badly hit as huge drop in apparel sales helps fuel 18% slide in all-non food exports

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...les-eu-crash-brexit-red-tape-deters-exporters

From that article;

Newton-Smith called for a “bold pitch” to international investors and said Britain and the EU should use a review of their trade deal in 2026.

“That will be a moment for us to think about how do we improve and how do we minimise some of those trading frictions that are having an impact on business,” she told Bloomberg.

Labour leader Keir Starmer has said he will align with the EU on food and agricultural products if he becomes prime minister. But he has ruled out rejoining the single market or allowing freedom of movement between Britain and the EU.


It's just prolonging the stupidity. There's no change in 2026 (or very very very minor) and the UK are already too far gone to align to the EU. When will Keir tell the countries that the UK have made deals with that those deals are cancelled. Has Keir Starmer signed up for the course on how a Customs union and Single Market works yet?
 


The point here is that he was for FoM in 2019 - after the UK had handed in their resignation of the EU in 2017 - nearly three years previously, so saying that it was during the negotiations is complete rubbish. He knew the UK was leaving. FoM comes with staying in the Single Market with the four freedoms.

He's just sh!t scared of Brexiteers or lied about being pro-EU.
Or just thick.


This is the whole interview with Nick Robinson.
Starmer is definitely just so ignorant on Brexit. The Shadow Brexit Secretary!!!!!! 10:50 on Brexit

 
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'The Office for Budgetary Responsibility has estimated that Brexit will reduce GDP by 4 per cent over 15 years from 2016 – swiping around £100bn from the economy.'

How is that, in any way shape or form, a success?

Got are cuntree back
 
Got are cuntree back

We stopped all them immigrants coming in and fixed the NHS. Thankfully, we got the guy that lead the brexit campaign in as PM to push through the brexit Farage and the ERG wanted. And now we're living in the utopia they promised.
 
Keep digging Keir...

Starmer’s growth plan ‘doomed’ without access to EU markets, warn economists

Labour leader told if elected he will have to rejoin the customs union to meet party’s manifesto pledges, while 56% of voters say Brexit was bad for economy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...owth-plan-doomed-access-eu-markets-economists

I wouldn’t put it past him planning on this.

“Our plans are going well, but the Elephant in the room is blocking us from reaching our growth potential. This is why I…

- aim to begin negotiations with the EU toreturn to the single market and/or customs union
- aim to put another referendum to the people regarding rejoining the EU
 
Looking at the press this morning and it's plastered with articles about Brexit which nobody supposedly wants to talk about, especially Starmer.

But it's back to fantasy menu time and picking and choosing which type of Brexit they would like, none of which are possible. The Uk got the soft brexit one with the trade deal and grace periods.

Healing non-existent wounds that are only invented in the UK. The EU have no intention of rediscussing any deal which has been repeatedly said over and over again including to Starmer.

You're in or you're out. But the UK could have a worse deal by infringing ECHR, the Northern ireland issue and/or not having any trade deal at all and a really hard border. Wake up Starmer!
 
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Have you tried believing more?

I am now convinced.

Having listened to Starmer over the last few interviews, he's getting more confident that he's going to win. Everybody knows Labour are going to win.
But within his incessant waffling, I am now convinced the "botched deal" he refers to is actually the Withdrawal Agreement and not the Trade Agreement, as I have thought all along.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...08a8aaa70e4675#block-667c77748f08a8aaa70e4675

Not watching the debate but:

The next question comes from Julie, who says she has lost 90% of her business with Europe since Brexit. How will they improve that?

Both these two fools are so full of sh!te.

One day a British journalist will ask the question to Starmer - which "botched" deal is he referring to?

Sunak says he has negotiated deals with the EU - The Windsor Framework was obligatory if the DUP continued their nonsense and the Horizon Associate (not full) membership was already part of the deal , at a cost, provided that the UK complied with their requirements regarding Northern Ireland.

Starmer is not going to get a different deal.

What a pair of hopeless cases.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/27/labour-europe-eu-brexit-jonathan-reynolds

Labour to seek ‘stable position’ with Europe rather than reopen Brexit debate
Shadow business secretary says trying to rejoin single market or customs union would cause ‘more difficulties’

Addressing the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) conference on Thursday, Jonathan Reynolds acknowledged that Brexit had been “very difficult for businesses” because it had erected trade barriers, but said reopening the debate would be worse.

“The practical, trade-based agreements that we put forward, rather than the constitutional arguments around customs unions or single markets, are a genuinely better way to do that.”

Shevaun Haviland, the BCC’s director general, told the conference that the political parties must stop “walking on eggshells” and try to improve the UK’s relationship with Europe, notably on aligning food and drink regulations, VAT and mutual recognition of professional qualifications. However, she added that Reynolds was right that “businesses don’t want a renegotiation”.


In summary, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing. The barriers are not being in the Single Market and the Customs Union.

Why does nobody in the Labour Party understand this? Or do they have to parrot the nonsense from Starmer?
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-under-threat-after-britain-axes-negotiators


‘Disbelief’ as US-UK trade deals under threat after Britain axes negotiators
Business community decries ‘act of arson’ as one-sixth of trade posts within British consulates in the US are scrapped

The Tories have given up the pretence of being able to do trade deals with the USA. With individual states, ho ho ho.

Lots more stupidity to come under Labour.
 
@Paul the Wolf I really don't know why you care so much?

Hear France is racist now? Do you think that Le Pen women will try Frexit?

Because he has effectively lost the right to move back to his own country due to being retired and having a foreign wife? Does that seem right to you?
 
Because he has effectively lost the right to move back to his own country due to being retired and having a foreign wife? Does that seem right to you?

The wife who lived in the UK for 32 years and has no possibility of returning. (hooray!) .More worried that the value of my pension keeps reducing.
 
Le Pen isn't in power.
No, she talked of it years before but she's ruled it out since. Probably a bit to the left of Starmer.

Im sorry lad, you have some wild takes here. I’ve had plenty of dumb shit comments too.

But honestly, get off the internet and go for a walk if you think that Le Pen is to the left of Starmer.

It’s not stupid. It’s insulting.
 
Im sorry lad, you have some wild takes here. I’ve had plenty of dumb shit comments too.

But honestly, get off the internet and go for a walk if you think that Le Pen is to the left of Starmer.

It’s not stupid. It’s insulting.

He's been doing his best to keep the racists and Brexiters happy. You think Starmer will be good for the UK? That's a wild take if I heard one.
 
Because he has effectively lost the right to move back to his own country due to being retired and having a foreign wife? Does that seem right to you?

Did I even asking anything about @Paul the Wolf moving back?

I asked why HE cares so much, both my parents live abroad they wouldn't be allowed in the country they are in if they wasn't citizens.
 
Did I even asking anything about @Paul the Wolf moving back?

I asked why HE cares so much, both my parents live abroad they wouldn't be allowed in the country they are in if they wasn't citizens.

Brexit is the most moronic thing the Uk has ever done since the war and all the major parties are fine with that. Wake up!

Which country do they live in and have they taken the nationality of that country?

My wife never took British citizenship because she didn't need to.

Brexit has affected friends family and lots of people in a way that people have no idea about.

They'll be a lot of "expats" returning to the UK later in the year when the EU introduces the EES and Etias systems.
 
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Brexit is the most moronic thing the Uk has ever done since the war and all the major parties are fine with that. Wake up!

Since which war? We didn't start the world war thought that was da Nazis

Funny enough La Pen dad loved the Nazis:

"I ask myself several questions. I'm not saying the gas chambers didn't exist. I haven't seen them myself. I haven't particularly studied the question. But I believe it's just a detail in the history of World War II." For Le Pen, the French deportation of 76,000 Jews from France to Nazi concentration camps, where they were killed, is a trivial matter, and he denies that 6 million Jews were killed, saying "I don't think there were that many deaths. There weren't 6 million

Bold is grim..