His build up is fecking FANTASTIC which is a shame given taking him out we lose some of that class but his finishing is bloody AWFUL.
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I already wrote that to Dobbs that we who thought that was wrong, but having Jose, Zlatan and Pogba in the same club I was so sure we would win the title.
As also said I think he's been fine in his general play. Rashford upfront with Zlatan as a SS would be worth a go. Finishing will come. It must come, surely?!
How did this guy get 50 goals last season?
Pretty much this ATM
Form is temporary
Playing against French farmers in an incredibly stacked side that can offer thousands of chances for him to score from.
Understandable.
I get where you're coming from, though it doesn't make it any less frustrating! Personally, I've never been that big on Zlatan so he's pleasantly surprised with some of the good things he's done, but when he's been rubbish, which he's been often, it hasn't come as a surprise to me as in a supposedly weak league, I saw him have equally bad games at PSG last year.
You have to remember though that he's supposed to be our star player, coming with a high reputation that he himself inflates, so these poor performances aren't going to go down well. Especially when we've had to deal with Rooney's awful showings these past few years to boot.
This thread...
I'm a huge fan of Zlatan but we need to be honest. This isn't good enough.
Same way Cavani manages to score loads of goals when he's famous for being shitty finishing, this kind of players are able to generate an absurd amount of chances so eventually they end up scoring a lot. When they get a team that dominates with a lot of quality around them they put unreal numbers. I'd say the same about Messi and Ronaldo but that's another topic, just have to look at their rates at club/national levels, some "2nd tier" guys have consistent rates at both, others bump up their stats playing for powerhouses
I said a few weeks ago that his link up play has been good but only around the area. There's really no need for him to drop deeper. The odd nice moment around the halfway line doesn't justify it.
Right up top he's hard to disposess and his decision making is usually good. He has to stay up top for me.
Obviously if he carries on missing chances he needs dropping.
So let me get this straight, Zlatan's build up makes this okay:
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If you are a top level striker you score that. If that was Giroud you'd be laughing your face off.
I like the guy but let's not make excuses. We signed a world class striker, it's not wrong to expect he plays like one.
I think he should sit at the table Rashford eats at, and starting asking him for advice on how to score goals.
Anyway I think he needs to sit a game out but if Martial is injured then...
Yeah, I'm hopeful he'll come good, but for all the build-up play and movement he offers that's just fundamentally not good enough. It'd be excusable, or something we could deflect, if we were getting goals from another source...but after 10 games and having scored just 13, goals are our main problem right now, and that ultimately has to come down to the man who we're relying upon to score them.
Ibra has had a high number of chances with a very low conversion rate.
Think it's starting to show just how easy he had it at PSG. Always found it much easier to believe he'd simply moved to a crap league rather than he'd suddenly taken his game to new heights at the age of 31.
Understandable.
I get where you're coming from, though it doesn't make it any less frustrating! Personally, I've never been that big on Zlatan so he's pleasantly surprised with some of the good things he's done, but when he's been rubbish, which he's been often, it hasn't come as a surprise to me as in a supposedly weak league, I saw him have equally bad games at PSG last year.
You have to remember though that he's supposed to be our star player, coming with a high reputation that he himself inflates, so these poor performances aren't going to go down well. Especially when we've had to deal with Rooney's awful showings these past few years to boot.
Well I don't think like that, a 35 y/o that came "for free" shouldn't be this team star (obviusly he will try to claim that he is, can't help that). Pogba, Mata or even Martial or Mkhi should be fighting for that role, from that bunch only Mata has been a pleasant surprise so long but as long as those guys can't get to that level Ibra will be pointed as guilty, deserving it or not
No top striker misses continuous streams of chances and a ridiculous amount of simple chances.
He missed that. He missed Rashford's cross midweek. He missed a big chance at Chelsea, a bigger chance at Liverpool, a couple of huge chances against Stoke. How many is it all right to miss in your eyes? We bought him to put those kind of chances away. If he's gonna miss them then we could have persisted with Rashford or Martial up top, or gone for someone else.
Was shit today. Start Rashford or Martial upfront next game.
This is a load of crap tbh. He is getting the chances, level of league doesn't affect your ability to finish from 3/4 yards. He is just simply out of form in terms of finishing right now. He doens't look like he is struggling with the level IMO
His general play has been decent enough but Jesus Chris, the amount of huge chances he has failed to score lately is just mind boggling
I remember Aguero at the start of last season missing chances in 4/5 games and people talking crap too. He is out of form, needs a rest IMO. If he wasn't getting into the positions to score though id be more worried. Once he gets 1 I think he'll start scoring regularly again.
The season we last won the title RVP went on a run of 10 games without a goal and was also missing sitters. It happens
Too true. It's not like he is struggling with the physical aspect of the PL, the movement. These excuses are tired clichés because they are used to justify any bad performances (oh he came from a weaker league to the awesome PL). His finishing is terrible, the rest of his game has been ok.
When they are out of form yes, it happens
100% agreed
I'm failing to express I think it has always been like that for him?. His shots per goal might be similar or have slight variances, him scoring more at PSG should just mean his chances per game in France should be higher than in Serie A/La Liga/EPL
Bench awaits and if the form continues just take a moment to think before offering him a new contract.
Another manager's job is on the line and results will matter more than anything in the end.
Another manager's job is on the line and results will matter more than anything in the end.
To be fair I didn't see that tap in. I turned off the game few minutes before the end.
I just don't get people now saying he was always crap and similar. Overrated and so on..
I just don't get people now saying he was always crap and similar. Overrated and so on..
Always been hugely overrated, has always missed chances, and is a bellend.
Can't leave soon enough.
Can't leave soon enough.
As I've said, Zlatan's essentially been brought in to fulfill an RVP-type role: score an impressive number of goals over one or two seasons. Players hit bad form, yeah, but he's not really delivered since the start of the season and it's starting to get the point where this is sustained bad form...which isn't good enough for a player who's going to be here for a relatively small period of time. We can put it down to bad form, sure, but if he doesn't turn it around soon then it's just not good enough, irrespective of whether it's bad form or not.
I don't have any numbers but I highly doubt it was this bad before in France/Spain/Italy.
2nd season of the hopeless twat,
From personal experience I can tell you that Eto'o, Villa and Suarez got their fair share of horrible consecutive misses preventing them from scoring a goal (heck, Villa usually went weeks without scoring a single goal), the difference could be that if it took them 12 missed chances to score a goal at Barcelona that would mean 2/3 games, it can take 5 to 6 to get that volume at current United level so it becomes a bigger problem
I'm usually one of his biggest supporters but he seriously needs to be dropped now. Missed an absolute sitter at the end and then had a chuckle about it... Not a good look when you're 35 and collecting close to 400k a week. I had my suspicions that he was using United as his own personal pension fund like Schweinsteiger and Falcao before him. And it's looking closer to true the more and more I watch of him.
He hasn't scored in his last 6 games. Besides some positive moments of build up play, his shooting and finishing has been atrocious.
I still wouldn't replace him with Rooney though. He's not THAT bad.
Rashford up top and Martial LW. Preferably Mkhitaryan on the RW. But we know that won't happen.
He hasn't scored in his last 6 games. Besides some positive moments of build up play, his shooting and finishing has been atrocious.
I still wouldn't replace him with Rooney though. He's not THAT bad.
Rashford up top and Martial LW. Preferably Mkhitaryan on the RW. But we know that won't happen.
That chance at the end sure, the other chances he's wasted have either been due to a keeper or he's been under at least a bit of pressure from a defender. His link up play has mostly been good and he's not been as shit as people are making out but I don't think he's on the same level as the likes of Aguero, lewandowski etc nor do I think he ever has been for that matter
That's a little worrying. I did see a few PSG games and I don't remember anything this bad though.
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