I can't even believe it actually. I am amazed how much this has cost us. We bought him solely for this reason.
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He is 35. You are an optimist!
If his only job in the pitch was to score goals as a pure 9 then yeah, that would be expected from him
But he's doing other things too
I hope I have missed white text. It is a joke if at this level your main striker cant get 1 goal in 4
Scored against Southampton, was good against Leicester. So that's 4 points he won!!
Great logic from you
Which one of his chances was a sitter though?
That one of one.
Sure he missed chances, but he wasn't the only one missing it.
That one of one.
Sure he missed chances, but he wasn't the only one missing it.
He had an almost open goal at the end and went through one on one in the first half.
Please, its not that bad. Falcao would have lost the ball and let Burnley have a goal on the counter.
The last one from Pogbas ball was a sitter tbf. I thought he played very well today.
Yeah, his age is part of the problem in a sense. Hopefully he'll come good...but for a player who's being brought in to have an RVP-type role over one or two seasons, it's not good enough for him to be under-performing for sustained periods of time.
The last chance from Pogba's cross was a tap in from 3 yards. He missed a one on one in the first half that he just hit at the keeper and there was one where Mata gave him a free shot in the first half and he kind of scuffed it.
The tap in from two yards where he failed to make contact with the ball is the dictionary definition of a sitter.
It's on Jose from now on, if he keeps picking him.
I actually thought his overall performance today wasn't bad, but I don't want him getting anymore chances. His lack of pace forces us to put everything on a silver platter for him...and (when it's on a platter) his poor finishing means that we don't bury teams and that's puts more pressure on the rest of the squad.
He's been a flop.. Drop him and look elsewhere Jose.
I actually thought his overall performance today wasn't bad, but I don't want him getting anymore chances. His lack of pace forces us to put everything on a silver platter for him...and (when it's on a platter) his poor finishing means that we don't bury teams and that's puts more pressure on the rest of the squad.
He's been a flop.. Drop him and look elsewhere Jose.
I don't agree. I think there is plenty of time left this season for him to win us plenty of points.
Exactly.
People love lamenting about our mythical lack of creativity. That's complete horseshit, we're one of the most creative team in the league this season. We create chances after chances but unfortunately our main striker has aisled to bury most of them and they have been fecking sitters for the most part.
These aren't even hard chances for someone of his "reputation"... No one is blaming him for missing that one volley today. It's the simple chances like the one at the end which he should be putting away for fun. Worryingly, he's doing this game after game now.
And he is at the heart of a lot of that creativity. Agree he needs to finish, he needs a break. But overall he is good for the team IMO
I think he's playing okay, though. Just going through a goal drought, as strikers do.
It is day and night in comparison to last season which makes it sooooo frustrating.
You put Rashford/Martial in the role Ibra has been doing this season and you just have a void zone in our attack, they don't have the link/hold/first touch skills Zlatan has, the striker would get less chances and in the end, best case scenario, they get the same amount of goals Ibra has scored
Ibra never was a clinical finisher, he was at the top because despite missing a lot of goals he has a lot of tools in his kit, if he could bang close to Ronaldo/Messi rates in Italy or Spain we would be talking about a different kind of monster. It's not that his finishing turned shite in Manchester, it's just that he looks worse because the players around him are worse
Alright, fair play. I hope you're right, nothing would please me more!
I just said he would've put away the chances Ibra had. Didn't mention anything about any other aspect of his play, because the rest was pretty good.
Him being the most experienced striker, today's game was the exact time for him to prove his worth to the team after missing so many chances and yet he fecked up.
He managed to get 28 goals in Italy the season before he went to PSG. And he also managed to get 25 in Serie A the year before he moved to Barca. He's never been as clinical as Messi/Ronaldo and it'd have been silly for us to expect such a level of scoring, but he's scored high amounts before for sides that while very good, weren't incredible. I'm struggling to believe he's offering a lot more than what either of Rashford/Martial would at the moment.
I just don't get it.
It can't be age. He's getting into all the positions, running and movement isn't a problem. He's just completely lost his mojo in terms of finishing.
Mourinho seems to want to play him into form but he needs to sit out, just to gather his composure and come back with some renewed focus.
It can't be age. He's getting into all the positions, running and movement isn't a problem. He's just completely lost his mojo in terms of finishing.
Mourinho seems to want to play him into form but he needs to sit out, just to gather his composure and come back with some renewed focus.
They're both posts from the same poster. From before we signed him and after.
I mean look at the difference in expectations. It's like night and day
Sorry about that man. i'm just so angry today. i'll log off and come back when I calm down.
If you look at his time in France his shots per goal stats were as follows
2012/13 4.6 spg
2013/14 4.9 spg
2014/15 3.6 spg
2015/16 5.0 spg
In the Prem
2016/17 5.7 spg (it was 5 before today's pitiful display)
He isn't a clinical striker. The way were are playing we need someone on fire or we are going to continue to suffer.
Yeah, he needs to be fecked off. There's been little redeemable about his spell at United so far.
- Massive cock off the field
- His allround game has gone to shit
- Bottled every single big game
- Misses crucial sitters every week
- Keeping Martial/Rashford off the pitch
He scores his chance vs Stoke, 1-0 could be 3 points
Vs Liverpool, 1-0 could be 3 points
Vs Chelsea, 1-1 game on
Vs Burnley today, could be 3 points and a couple of goals at least.
You can apply this kind of logic to any team of course, but when a striker is consistently failing to deliver, then he should be dropped.
Vs Liverpool, 1-0 could be 3 points
Vs Chelsea, 1-1 game on
Vs Burnley today, could be 3 points and a couple of goals at least.
You can apply this kind of logic to any team of course, but when a striker is consistently failing to deliver, then he should be dropped.
Just read a stat
Ibra has had 70 shots in the PL and scored 4.
Just let that sink in.
Ibra has had 70 shots in the PL and scored 4.
Just let that sink in.
Some of that is that he does make quite a few speculative efforts and shots from distance
I just think it as straight forward as he is 35, when players get to that age they find it hard to be consistent!
Can any one name another out field player, especially a striker, who is been asked to play up to 3 games a week for top club?
the guy is 35, let's treat him like that, and use him at the right times in the right games like we did with players like Scholes and giggs when they where that age!
Can any one name another out field player, especially a striker, who is been asked to play up to 3 games a week for top club?
the guy is 35, let's treat him like that, and use him at the right times in the right games like we did with players like Scholes and giggs when they where that age!
I'm just pointing out where he missed sitters. I've already made another post where he did cost us points.Scored against Southampton, was good against Leicester. So that's 4 points he won!!
Great logic from you
Overall probably Mata was better, I can only talk about the second half and I think Ibra was better there, Mata being subbed might have something to do with it
What I'm trying to say about Ibra is that you can't expect from a 35 y/o player to do what he does (or at least tries to do other games) and still want him banging at good rate, working in other areas takes its toll and if you want to have a clear mind while finishing you have to measure your work, even Ronaldo, the most professional player in the game disconnects for a while from his team to reserve stamina, Ibra doesn't have that luxury
His general play in the last 2-3 games have been much better, but it's amazing to see a striker go on a goalless run, they all seems cursed in front of goal.
That point is the key one, though. He was clinical when he scored at the start of the season to the point where I'd imagine his ratio would be a lot, lot lower. If he continues to produce displays like today (which is possible) wherein he's getting chances but not finishing them, then that ratio will get higher and higher. The majority of his PL goals came in the first couple of weeks, where he was excellent, so that's perhaps making it look like less of a problem than it is in reality.
I don't think he has that many, at least he hasn't for us. He does have a lot of snap shots I guess. Aguero also has a high spg rate every season (not as high as Ibra mind) but he shoots from pretty much anywhere.
Still it shows a trend of needing a lot of opportunities to score.
I think Rashford up top with Martial on the left at least needs to be tried as Ibra now has one in ten games. It is a major problem for us whichever way you look at it.
@Cheesy
He was quite clinical in the first few games but that is a long time ago now. He should be dropped IMO. One goal in ten shouldn't be rewarded.
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I mean the difference in your expectations in astounding. We are not title favourites and he's nowhere near the best player in the league. At what point do we give up on him?
Well I was expecting a lot more help from his team (Mata, Martial, Rashford, Mkhi... I even said that before Pogba signed), if he was playing as a pure 9 he could have twice his goals this season. I think being tired when you have to make split second decissions has a huge importance in your conversion rates.
You know, I grew up with Barcelona's "dream team", Cruyff said that about his strikers, Romario proved him right and a lot more of players did the same after that, I can't help thinking like that
Far too early for that. Every striker goes through bad runs. Just sit him out for a game or two. He's playing way more often than most of us expected.
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