Really? I didn't know that. Seems like a relatively easy thing to achieve, although goalkeepers don't tend to move around as much as field players.
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Is this a sporcle quiz? I want to take it but it's a little pointless after seeing the results 
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Is this a sporcle quiz? I want to take it but it's a little pointless after seeing the results
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Yea. My bad, put in a spoiler now.
Yeah, same here. VDS ticks a lot of boxes in his longevity, consistency, modernity, flexibility. But between the ages of 28 and 34, between leaving Ajax and then joining United, the years when a keeper should be hitting their top stride, his record isn't that compelling in this company. It's the one question mark I have on his career. In fairness he did fine at Fulham and aged like a fine wine at United, so there's some trade off there in his overall career at the top (a solid 10-11 years or so).
It's all opinions, but I think him being the prototype of the modern ball-playing keeper, his excellent overall ability and trophy cabinet do enough to place him 10-ish. His long late peak (in which I'd include Fulham to a degree) somewhat mitigates the Juve-shaped hole in his career, imo. I feel that De Gea's ranking is more of a United thing than his, especially when looking at perceptions outside of English football.
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What De Gea did with a absolute shite of a backline in front of him is stellar. He kept us in game after game consistently. Harsh he was playing when we are shite. With a good defense, we'd be solid.
No doubt, he was fantastic in domestic football for multiple seasons, and showed outrageous shotstopping/matchwinning abilities time and time again. But the cons (so far) are also quite significant imo, and I feel this influences the impression of international football fans to a larger degree. Which probably leads to a general underrating of his domestic heroics, but the fact remains that he didn't display that performance level on the big international stages, and at times even struggled badly when it mattered.
If we were winning more De gea would probably have gone down as better than Schmeichel for us. If in his next 5 years we become successful he will be.
Agree with this — for me Edwin is probably the most intelligent goalkeeper ball-playing keeper ever, like Xavi for central midfielders or Van Basten for strikers — his effortless composure and positioning in terms of defending his area rather than focusing on the goal, textbook-perfect technical competence, vision of the the game ahead of him, ability to constantly make micro-adjustments ahead of time instead of lunging at the last second and decision-making on the ball puts him in a very special category.
Neuer had a higher peak, was more visually commanding, a more explosive athlete and shot-stopper, and I've put him higher up on my list as well — but if you had to select a brain to assemble the ideal ball-playing goalkeeper, you can't possibly do worse than Van der Sar's. Which is why he was consistently good even at an advanced age (voted IFFHS Goalkeeper of the Year at 38, European Goalkeeper of the Year at 39, and Premier League Goalkeeper of the Year at 40), whereas a lot of other ball-playing goalkeepers are affected quite significantly by progressive loss of athleticism/reflexes.
Combine all of that with his burgeoning trophy cabinet, peak consistency, record of 50+ clean sheets in the Champions League and 9 clean sheets at the EUROs (including 0 goals conceded in 2000 en route to the semi-final), 3rd highest clean ratio of the Premier League era despite playing for 120+ matches for Fulham, clean ratio for the Netherlands and so forth — and he's not unworthy of a Top 10-ish spot, IMO. Maybe his understated demeanor (in contrast with more mentalist goalkeeping heroes) effects his perception, dunno.
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Is it okay to post my top 20 overnight?
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If anyone has some spare time would appreciate looking into sharing some thoughts and perhaps voting in the current SF:
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/b2b-draft-sf-jim-beam-vs-enigma-theon.449044/
as we reached impasse.
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/b2b-draft-sf-jim-beam-vs-enigma-theon.449044/
as we reached impasse.
What's next, Stoppers thread?
Or perhaps have the DM/B2B thread?
Or perhaps have the DM/B2B thread?
I'll start the stoppers thread today — and will try to post the first bits from the ball-playing thread as well.
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/redcafes-all-time-top-20-stoppers-the-vote-is-on.449103/
The third thread is on.
The third thread is on.
This will be an interesting one. I don't think it's as clearly stratified as the ball players/sweepers/cover list. Should see a wider range of picks.
Am shocked no one else rates Ferrara highly enough to even get 1 point
Good adding him in stoppers, I didn't add him in the ball playing list as well. I don't think he was one.
Am shocked no one else rates Ferrara highly enough to even get 1 point
Reckon most will have him in stopper category.
Hmm understandable. Thought he was a good passer too. Probably an early version of Lucio.
never understood the first category tbh, almost half of my stopper list are ball-playing defenders
Don't do those, please — not in that thread, at least.
That's democracy for you
Yeah, I think that he'll get his recognition in the current thread.Am shocked no one else rates Ferrara highly enough to even get 1 point
I'm pleasantly surprised to see Vidic cracking most of the top 10s so far.
All three of them getting just 1 votes is tough to swallow again.
The list seems to have been really tough to get into.
Found that quite tricky to pin down to 20. Had a broad set of 3 tiers within the 20, but could have added another dozen or so to the third tier.
In saying that, probably an easier list to get into compared to the first CB set.
In saying that, probably an easier list to get into compared to the first CB set.
Yeah true, all three were just on the fringes of my 20.
Left Paolo out on purpose Gio?
Did someone vote for Paolo Cannavaro?
KDB with Miramontes special today, cant wait to not see him in top 20 when its time for midfielders
Yeah more of a style question, see him fit more in the Nesta mould with our first CB list. Six and half a dozen though.
The stopper list will look a little weird at places.
Maldini has been added by a few and not by others. Different people following different rules kind of makes it logic less.
Maldini has been added by a few and not by others. Different people following different rules kind of makes it logic less.
Yeah. But I really don't see a perfect way of separating those in two lists, although personally I would've preferred liberos/sweepers/obviously covering defenders vs stoppers/complete CBs instead of ball-playing and stoppers categories.
I still think we should try to sort the obvious candidates upfront where necessary. We may miss a few, but it will be much less players whose votes are spread over different lists. The way we do it now predictably hurts the players right between categories, like Maldini and Nesta (who appears in both CB lists). It will get even more messy with central midfielders.