Yeah after seeing the results I think a single CB list would be the only way to go. Splitting it ended up with too many people using different subjective interpretations to split the categories.
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Yeah after seeing the results I think a single CB list would be the only way to go. Splitting it ended up with too many people using different subjective interpretations to split the categories.
Probably. And up the amount of nominations to 30-40?
Yeah I think would be good. Its still going to be tricky with some like Maldini, Thuram and whether they should be on both CB and fullback lists.
everyones interpretations on footballers are going to be slightly different.
I think if you keep them as it is it will be fine. It is testament to the player if he appears on more lists.
the difficult part is when you get to the forwards. for example messi can possible appear in 4 categories
I think if you keep them as it is it will be fine. It is testament to the player if he appears on more lists.
the difficult part is when you get to the forwards. for example messi can possible appear in 4 categories
*My list excludes the like of Baresi, Figueroa, Nesta, Maldini and Thuram who would have all been in my top 10.
What's the point, Koeman should be rated higher or lower?
I liked (I think it was) @GodShaveTheQueen's suggestion with 15 liberos & 25 CBs.
I still don't think it's a problem to include a player twice if the positions are actually different. Quite the opposite. But imo it should be decided beforehand in which category inbetweeners are listed. Thinking of multifunctional players like Matthäus, Schweinsteiger - or Figueroa, if liberos had been seperated from CBs. Beckenbauer as a midfielder has already been a point of contention.
I'm closing the stoppers thread — tag me if you want to nominate your list and wasn't able to.
At the moment, we have to decide on the next one.
I'll set up a poll.
I'll set up a poll.
Personally, I'd go with a single list as we'll have trouble differentiating many balanced fullbacks between attacking and defensive ones. It's a bit easier with right and left, as most of the versatile options like Brehme, Amoros, Irwin & co have a clearly preferred side.
I'll update today
Start with ball-playing fullbacks.
yeah pretty much this. Santamaria was always more of a stopper than a sweeper. Then again he falls into a transitional era and I value him more as a bit of a leader than pure stopper abilities, hence being lower on my list. But he's nowhere near ball playing defenders, especially when you consider some of the names in the previous list from 10-20.
Different lists for left backs and right backs.
What's the notion with including those who can play either side? Lahm, Brehme, Amoros etc..
Shall we include them only on the preferred sides if we go with right and left backs as separate ones?
Shall we include them only on the preferred sides if we go with right and left backs as separate ones?
I can't really see the benefit of seperating left and right sided fullbacks, tbh. While they played different positions, a defensive LB has the exact same function as a defensive RB, a LWB the same as a RWB. So I think it's quite logical (and very interesting) to compare Maldini with Thuram, Roberto Carlos with Dani Alves, and so on.
The separation between offensive and defensive fullbacks makes sense to me, but I think it shouldn't be done for practical reasons.
The separation between offensive and defensive fullbacks makes sense to me, but I think it shouldn't be done for practical reasons.
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Good point. Being consistent with how we treated the CBs we'd include them on both sides and rank them accordingly. Although I suspect folk will generally just prioritise them on their preferred side, which will make the ranking a bit off on the other side.
Should only go in the preferred side. Irwin and Brehme are left backs. Amoros is a right back.
Yea, their functions are same but they are still different positions on the pitch.
I don't have a better logic than that, but having them in the same list sort of makes me uneasy.
Don't really see the point of comparing Thuram and Maldini or Alves and Carlos.
Comparison ideally should arise when they are competing for the same position.
yeah agreed. Maybe divide some of the names initially on the lists so we can all not put them in multiple or different lists.
Right backs are historically deeper pool and Lahm for example on the left would be better than some of the 10-20 picks I'd imagine. Same for Amoros.
Yea but that shouldn't be a yardstick tbh. You put them on their preferred side and exclude them from the other.
Probably a matter of taste in the end. As usual, it will work either way.
I'd probably compile a list of all the stand out fullbacks who can play on the other side with the preferred wing.
Lahm, Amoros - right
Brehme, Irwin - left
etc.
I don't think that we handled it perfectly with center backs, with Nesta, Shesternyov, Picchi, Schnellinger etc. getting lower score because their standing between 2 categories and I'd rather not repeat that.
Yea, as I said, I don't really have a good point to refute the other way as well.
Yeah, if we force a side on each player, not seeing too much room for contention. A lot of players almost equally good on both sides, but struggling to think of anyone who isn't more recognised on one side rather than the other.
Agreed with that. There are probably 6-8 names that would get in either list and we can easily define.
Can one of you randomize A, B, C, D, E and F with random.org for the ∞th time, please? We appreciate your help! ♥
There were 6 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
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Brilliant. Cheers, @Swarm! 
Okay, since the overwhelming majority wants to separate right and left backs, so we're going to do that. Will set up a thread today — and then publish the results for stoppers when I'll have time.
I think you haven't posted your list in the stoppers thread, should we wait for you? I re-opened the thread.
Yes please. 1 hour max.
Tag me when you're done.
Done
I forgot to mention him but he is definitely one of the toughest. When we talk about Bossis as a fullback, I think of him as a left back first, although he had literally played everywhere across the backline with equal ease. Any opinions?
my bad i forgot to read the op, i will put Bossis as a left back.
I've updated the OP after your list
I meant to include him in the original OP but somehow forgot. Lovely player.
@Edgar Allan Pillow Alves at #20?
Should be rated higher or lower?@Edgar Allan Pillow Alves at #20?
Edit: Just seeing others rating him in/around Top10, wow!
I always thought his abilities was enhanced by that Barca team. Outside of that set-up he didn't really reach close to his peak, imo.
Definitely higher than Suurbier and Phil fecking Neal
He's probably the most decorated player of all-time now?