hopefully there will be a thread for every position
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hopefully there will be a thread for every position
Start one for a position and post yours. Others will follow.
Good idea, done!
Goalkeepers
Sweepers & CB Playmakers
Center Backs / Stoppers
Full Backs
Defensive Midfielders
DLPs & Playmaking CMs
Box-to-box Midfielders
Attacking Midfielders & Classic #10s
Traditional Wingers
Wide Forwards & Secondary/Roaming Strikers
Playmaking Forwards
Strikers
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Managers
Goalkeepers
Sweepers & CB Playmakers
Center Backs / Stoppers
Full Backs
Defensive Midfielders
DLPs & Playmaking CMs
Box-to-box Midfielders
Attacking Midfielders & Classic #10s
Traditional Wingers
Wide Forwards & Secondary/Roaming Strikers
Playmaking Forwards
Strikers
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Managers
Is this post-war still?
If you are not on footballia you didnt play football IMO
Best rule ever, alongside the @MJJ rule obviously
I still blame you for the final loss with the card rigging and making voters hate me!
Goalkeepers thread
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/redcafes-all-time-top-20-goalkeepers.448683/
I posted the first thread. Should I add a full match rule?
I posted the first thread. Should I add a full match rule?
That's really detailed. Debating which category each player fits in will take just as long as ranking them.
iirc, most (if not all) explicit statements in this thread were in favour of a post-war/full match rule. May be too late now (Zamora) or would require some editing.
DDG top 20?
My only quibble would be that a full match rule is a bit arbitrary as, for example, many 1950s Europeans are eligible but their South American equivalents are typically not. If you're an outsider looking in, your first question might be why player x born in 1925 is eligible but player y born in 1921 isn't.
Maybe I’ve rushed in. I can even delete this and make a new one, because for other positions we definitely need this.
Good point, I'd say, all players who have played in world cups from 1950 WC or have a full game are eligible is a more fuller criteria.
Covers the likes of Varela/Zizinho etc while still leaving out the likes of Mazzola/Pedernera etc from mid 40's
I thought a lot about and he makes the cut for me. Possibly the most gifted shot-stopper than I’ve seen and more talented than a lot in my list. His career for Spain is the only (but a very big one) criticism of his all-time stature.
Aye, a post-WW2 or 1950 cut-off should cover it off imo.
It's hard to judge him with that poor international career sat alongside year-after-year of sensational club performance. I really struggle to place him at this point, although minded to consider him given keeper is the position that has seen the most improvement in the last 60 years or so.
comfortably.
I am absolutely shocked
did i forget someone or you just think the list is shit
did i forget someone or you just think the list is shit
The only keeper you'd pay to watch is missing from the list
The only keeper you'd pay to watch is missing from the list
give him 2 more years and he is in@Moby @Indnyc @Šjor Bepo @P-Nut
I've added the post 1950, please update your lists accordingly (no Zamora - and if there are others like him). Cheers.
I've added the post 1950, please update your lists accordingly (no Zamora - and if there are others like him). Cheers.
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Ostensibly, DDG is better than a lot of keepers that will feature, but the caveat is the era relevancy and what each did therein. DDG is poor on crosses and his international career has let him down. He also lacks presence and command of his box, but does that matter, when again, he is better than so many others above him?
I am more likely to put him in than not, but placing him is difficult.
I am more likely to put him in than not, but placing him is difficult.
The problem with post WW2 criteria is it includes a lot more than it should.
Take Sarosi and Da Guia for example, played till 1948.
Hence playing from the 1950 WC criteria made more sense to me.
@harms cant we just use physio rule of one game online to be available?
Do people really rate Casillas that high?
Individually I can hardly put him near top 20 let alone top 10 or thereabouts.
Individually I can hardly put him near top 20 let alone top 10 or thereabouts.
@Edgar Allan Pillow Planicka. A keeper needs to play at least a season after the 1950 WC.
I rate him on the fringes of top 20. Great shot stopper and played at a time when Madrid really didn't have that great a defense
He's closer to the bottom of my list. But you can't deny his achievements, he had literally won it all and most of it — multiple times. Was incredibly important in those consecutive goalless play-off games for Spain (with the 2010 final as a pinnacle), had many memorable games in CL as well.
I see.
However are we rating them in terms of ability as individual, credentials(what they’ve won), peak level or consistency throughout the years?
To me he’s an excellent shot stopper, great reactions, but he lacks the reach of keepers like Julio Cesar, De Gea and Oblak that fall in that category and his organisation of the defence, aerial ability, kicking is nowhere near top 20 IMO.
All of it — you decide which is more important to you when you make the list.
To me it's always a mix of all of this for every player.
Sound. And done!
Don't think I've got anyone on my list that doesn't meet this.
I've seen no problems with him organizing the defence. His weakness probably was coming out to handle crosses. As you say, lack of reach is a factor here. But that weakness never manifested into a liability and his other attributes overall made up for it. He falls out of Top 10, but definitely should be in 20.