Fairly sure he out_performed his xG this season.
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Havertz is a better player, and ideally I would prefer a much more rounded skillset from a striker at Utd. I wouldn't expect him to be a great success at Utd without major improvements.
However, what he cost and what we want him to be are irrelevant now, have to work with what he is and for his current level tonight was by some margin his best game of the tournament as underwhelming as that may be.
Criticising his performance today and across the Euros?
It’s not wrong though is it? I’d be more worried if we were praising his performance
Even current Lukaku is twice the player than Hojlund is right now. And i would be over the moon if Hojlund reaches prime Lukaku.You're right, comparing him to Lukaku is what an unbiased person would do.
Lukaku was a player who scores goals and who can bully defenders. Hojlund doesn't do any of those things.
His finishing hasn't be a problem in a United shirt. Getting chances has been.
The comparisons with Lukaku are actually pretty funny. Mainly because they're nothing alike aside from being left footed strikers. That being said, Lukaku is likely available for a very reasonable price this summer and would be a handy addition to Rasmus.
Except he does score goals at a good rate per chance when he's playing for United.
No surprise that this thread has been so active tonight with the usual lot who love to shit all over our young players, sick of reading it.
Yes, I’m having a great time. Thanks.
It's obvious that he needs some time before being the answer to our scoring problem. I'm worried that we're trying to find a back up for him in the summer instead of finding a starter.
That's concerning. I can't think of a single thing he did right outside of taking a touch and a shot straight down Neuer's throat.
Poor tournament from him.
Hopefully he gets a good rest and starts the season well.
Hopefully he gets a good rest and starts the season well.
I get the criticism. I think that’s fair. What i hate reading though is that we should give up on him (he’s 21 and had a decent season). I’ve seen people call him trash and basically saying we shouldn’t waste any more time.
It’s typical of the modern fan. Absolutely no patience and the opinion must be at one extreme or the other. There’s barely any nuance.
I’m also confused as to why posters seem to get so wound up over performances for a team that’s not United and equate our players to what they will do for us. It’s really strange.
Do you think it's Hojlund who should be scoring more in the current United team, or it's the team who should collectively get better and provide way more chances for him to put away?
He's better than Lukaku has been for the last 3 years, it's not even a contest.
Well that’s of course assuming I agree with a random assertion that someone has made that anyone speaking negatively could only be possibly be doing so based on 4 games. Which is stupid, and probably something the poster doesn’t believe themselves, given that the player in question has actually played for us every week for a season, so it is highly unlikely that any United fan’s opinion of him is based on his last 4 games for Denmark.
So in conclusion, I just put it down to your regular deflection that you see on here everyday when people play dumb and wilfully present arbitrary arguments. Of course nobody’s opinion of Hojlund is a product of his last 4 games ffs, as if that even needs saying.
I find it funny because we’ve been very poor over the last 10 years with some decent moments here and there. If ever there was a period to be very critical it’s now. After the season we had, the expectation should be no less.
The difference I guess is some of us just call what we see while others call what they want to see.
I've not watched any of Denmark's matches but people on here love to write him off or label him a failure. The player I saw play for United last season was a super promising young striker who looks like he'll regularly score 20+ goals for a good side. Great hunger, great attitude.
The goalscoring figures alone say otherwise. So as a minimum it is a contest.
Lukaku scored 21 goals last season and 14 the year before. Rasmus scored 16 this year and 16 the year before.
Bad tournament. Certainly won't do his confidence any favours. Has to keep himself up but I'd also be looking out to bring in some backup.
Ah fair enough
I still vividly remember reading RedCafe and other forums and seeing fans genuinely suggest we sell Cristiano Ronaldo back when. And I think of what Ferguson once wrote (paraphrasing) that ‘very few people can spot and understand potential’ so I don’t take the idea of giving up on Hojlund seriously at this point
What is essential is that he has serious competition next season. And another striker in with a proven goalscoring record
He hated it here and was desperate to leave.
Not the first time a United forward has felt the weight of pressure, won’t be the last. Hopefully he can adapt and hit the ground running in his second season. A goal in the opening game could make a world of difference.
Seems intent on chasing lots of lost causes, which could be a sign of low confidence. Would rather he preserved his energy to get on the end of something.
Come on kid, a brace against Fulham would do nicely. Rooting for you.
Seems intent on chasing lots of lost causes, which could be a sign of low confidence. Would rather he preserved his energy to get on the end of something.
Come on kid, a brace against Fulham would do nicely. Rooting for you.
Hojlund will not look back on Euro 2024 fondly. Dress it up how you want, he hasn't performed anywhere near to the level he needed to. The moment at 1-0 down tonight when he was played through and just blasted it at the keeper summed up his tournament. Those aren't the type of chances that only a Ruud Van Nistlerooy or a Robin Van Persie level striker can be expected to take, those are the kind of chances that your Craig Bellamy and Yakubu would be gobbling up.
As the main striker for club and country people can reasonably expect better than him. His age, of course, is a factor. However, if you're going to use age as an excuse then you have to settle for being a substitute most weeks.
I remember Rooney being quite streaky in his early 20s and nobody made excuses for it. Rooney himself acknowledged he felt he should have scored more in 2007/08 (despite it being acknowledged he was hampered by injury that year). I'm not saying this to compare Hojlund to a generational talent like Wazza. I am saying this to say that, when you're starting for club and country, the bar is higher. Hojlund has to rise to that standard.
As the main striker for club and country people can reasonably expect better than him. His age, of course, is a factor. However, if you're going to use age as an excuse then you have to settle for being a substitute most weeks.
I remember Rooney being quite streaky in his early 20s and nobody made excuses for it. Rooney himself acknowledged he felt he should have scored more in 2007/08 (despite it being acknowledged he was hampered by injury that year). I'm not saying this to compare Hojlund to a generational talent like Wazza. I am saying this to say that, when you're starting for club and country, the bar is higher. Hojlund has to rise to that standard.
Shitting on a 21yo stiker from a smaller nation after his first major tournament should do wonders for their confidence. Keep it up.
Used to be you gave players at least a year to settle, let alone when they’re barely an adult.
Mate there are people on here that think we should get rid of Bruno, and I've been here long enough to see what people used to say about Ronaldo. This isn't the place to seek rational opinions.
Finishing can be improved. I'm actually more concerned that he doesn't do some of the basic stuff right. Like, he makes quite a few unforced errors. He got a ball in his feet next to the dugouts at the end of the first half, and instead of attacking Rudiger who was out of his position, he simply passed the ball to him. You can not be turning over possession in such a promising area, so cheaply.
He also gets caught up on his heels often, and he's slow to react like he doesn't anticipate what will happen next, so he is quite reactive, instead of being proactive like all the top forwards are. Maybe he will improve on this with experience. There were few balls in his area that if he had been a bit aggressive and focused, he would've won possession. I've noticed that this is something Bellingham does really well for England. He also drops deep often, and often he is not in a CF position by the time the attack is near completion where he should be finishing those chances.
I hope he gets some good rest and recharges, as this is probably his season with the most games he has played in his career, so I want to see him fresh for the pre-season with United. I'm sure he will improve and having Ruud around will benefit him. How much, remains to be seen.
He also gets caught up on his heels often, and he's slow to react like he doesn't anticipate what will happen next, so he is quite reactive, instead of being proactive like all the top forwards are. Maybe he will improve on this with experience. There were few balls in his area that if he had been a bit aggressive and focused, he would've won possession. I've noticed that this is something Bellingham does really well for England. He also drops deep often, and often he is not in a CF position by the time the attack is near completion where he should be finishing those chances.
I hope he gets some good rest and recharges, as this is probably his season with the most games he has played in his career, so I want to see him fresh for the pre-season with United. I'm sure he will improve and having Ruud around will benefit him. How much, remains to be seen.
I don’t know and I don’t particularly care. As I’ve actually said a number of times. What he should be doing is playing better. Whether that results in him scoring more, less, or the same as 16 goals last season is not relevant to me.
The idea that any conversation about his season should simply be a number (16) is something I find ludicrous. Especially when, if that’s what we’re doing, the number isn’t a big enough number anyway. And when/because the number isn’t a big enough number, we then move into the mitigation - and it is HERE that Hojlund is failing for me. Simply being 21 years of age is not sufficient mitigation, to me. Maybe for others, but not for me. The number isn’t relevant to me, as the number isn’t enough. All we should be looking at really is what do we see in his game that gives confidence that he will soon hit the RIGHT number? And beyond the fact that he’s 21, I’m struggling to see much at the moment.
Neither will the entire Danish NT tbf. This game was their best of the tournament and they lost 2 nil.
The really dumb thing about what’s happening tonight is that everyone is piling onto him after his best performance of the tournament. In the group stages he did not play well but he was a proper handful all night against Germany. His all round play was decent and if he regularly gets on the end of that many chances per game against top opposition (when we all know he’s usually a reliable finisher) then he’ll have an excellent career.
We're not going to blindly advocate for him. If he's been shit he's been shit. It doesn't mean we stop supporting him when he plays for us.
I really don't have a problem with the critics despite disagreeing with them. I still think Rasmus is very talented player. He's showcased a lot of positive attributes in his first season here. You have to remember the critics aren't coming from a bad place. They raise fair points, and have every right to be concerned because, more often than not, things go pear shaped for players here.
I know it can seem like people are being negative for the sake of it, but we're all thinking of what's best for United. I know myself when I've criticised fan favourites in recent years that people have taken it that way when it was never the case.
Still, I'm optimistic for him personally this upcoming season. If we can get him back refreshed and in a more cohesive team, I think he'll only build on his promising debut season, but the cohesive bit is a big ask for us. At least there were positives in that regard from the final 4 or so matches of last season, but I digress!
I know it can seem like people are being negative for the sake of it, but we're all thinking of what's best for United. I know myself when I've criticised fan favourites in recent years that people have taken it that way when it was never the case.
Still, I'm optimistic for him personally this upcoming season. If we can get him back refreshed and in a more cohesive team, I think he'll only build on his promising debut season, but the cohesive bit is a big ask for us. At least there were positives in that regard from the final 4 or so matches of last season, but I digress!
Think there’s a difference between that and some just calling him straight up crap or writing him off.
There were times last season he looked like the real deal, then he got injured and hasn’t been as good ever since
The funny thing about posts like these is they are more wrong than those that write off players.
In the last five years alone there have been posters that have written off Antony, Dan James, Pereira, Elanga, Lukaku, Dean Henderson off in their first season as starters or regulars. We’ve gotten the usual, they are young and have great potential defence but time has proven the doubters correct and this consistently happens on the caf.
The crowd that writes players off is more right than those choosing to believe in potential that doesn’t exist.
Funny enough as vocal as I’ve been on Hojlund, I’m not totally writing him off but he has no business being a starter in this team. Anyone banking on him to lead us up front next season is in for a rude awakening, he’s nowhere near good enough at the moment.
Exactly. It’s a stupid and frankly playground position to take. To so quickly resort to ‘enjoy shitting on our young striker’.What does ‘enjoying’ it got to do with anything, and what difference does it make to our fortunes if I suddenly start insisting that McTominay or Antony are both good enough?
As you said, there has to be some reason why our team finished 8 and scored 57 league goals, and the obvious answer would be that a number of our players are not as good as they need to be. It’s not to be ‘enjoyed’, instead it brings great misery and occupies my mind for hours every day! But it is what it is.
He needs to learn to finish and not just blast the ball. When he was one-on-one with Neuer in the second half there was loads of space to the left of Neuer but he just blasted the ball at him.
If we're getting Ruud, he needs to be his shadow and learn how to be a striker.
If we're getting Ruud, he needs to be his shadow and learn how to be a striker.
I am unsure who has written him off. There's a lot (including me) questioning his transfer fee and putting doubt on whether he'll realize top potential. But he's not written off.
And he's been called crap in games where he's played crap. It's not exactly unreasonable.
You’ve probably not seen it because of the deluge of them I’ve had to reject from newbies. Especially one who signed up and then just wrote a list of players they hated followed by OUT!!
Not saying it’s everyone but I’ve definitely seen some in this thread from mains posters as well at points.