It was his first season in the PL and only his second in a top 5 league. I think you can expect a lot of improvement from him
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It was his first season in the PL and only his second in a top 5 league. I think you can expect a lot of improvement from him
Feck me. This is a terrible take.
Like I mentioned before, I have watched him closely and I don't rate his potential very highly. Even if he is still a very good pure goalscorer (possible, but also unlikely - he didn't do that well at Euros ) I am afraid he has reached his ceiling due to some natural limitations to his game.
I can be wrong here, but it really seems people talk about potential because of his age rather that actually explaining what specific elements of it. Same happened last season to Antony, plenty of people shouting about his potential. They are not on the same level at all, but you get my point. He's getting a lot of leeway because of his age, that's fair, but that's not a particularly interesting discussion as far as "let's give him time" kind of final statement goes. I'd prefer to talk about specifics.
You are not the only one, pretty much most United fans here watched all his games this season
Some also watched him at Atalanta
He should be getting a lot of leeway because of his age
What do you specifically want him to improve specifically? There is plenty he will and can improve on, but most of all, he will be more accustomed to the pace and speed of play in the PL; also, hopefully, the team as a whole will improve its play because this hurt him this season.
The major issue I see with him is that he needs to become a lot better in the air; for someone for his size and physicality, he is surprisingly poor there, and he also needs to stop engaging defenders in physical battles over getting hold of the ball (a lot of this is just experience)
If you watched him at Atalanta, you would see that he is actually very good at working the channels and isolating defenders 1 vs 1 (something we didn't take advantage of at United), things like timing of movement etc comes with understanding his team mates better because the attack last season was abysmal
For a striker, though he has the one attribute that you can't teach, he is a very good finisher with both feet.
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That's fair, so what's your assessment on Hojlund apart from being "young" and "having potential"?
I think that's a pretty fair take.
In terms of the squad, I think almost everyone would agree that we need some kind of alternative to Højlund next season. Both to give him competition and rest when needed. That can take many forms, but it has to be someone that plays the position naturally.
As for Rasmus, he will of course get the next season as well, so I hope we are able to coach him into a better player. There is stuff to build on, but also stuff that needs to be sorted out. And then I sincerely hope we can play better as a team and provide more opportunities, because he was feeding off scraps last year. He takes part of the blame for that with some poor hold-up play at times, but certainly not all the blame.
Realistically I'd say we should target for 15 league goals and +20 in total with improvements in his general play (assuming he still doesn't take penalties). That would be good progress.
I can name a number of things that I think he's not even on the level of average EPL striker, but I don't want to do that (those are pretty obvious tbh). I would like you to name things that are his strengths since you've seen a lot of him apparently. About the Atalanta, I am very careful about "he used to do it in different league" kind of statements for obvious reasons. He used to bear defenders for pace in Italy as well, it's a different level now.
Maybe I will explain myself from a different angle, I think a lot of his deficiencies are down to poor technique, balance and lack of "natural ability". I don't believe that if you are so poor back to goal and at heading the ball this is something you can train at the age of 22. Experience will improve his decision making, but not technique and balance.
You wanted to talk about specifics, but you were criticising him, and yet you can't name anything specific?
Anyway heading is an issue, but his technique being poor I think is overstated especially having watched him at Atalanta. I think he is struggling to adapt to a new level (e.g speed and pace of the PL)
Similarly I remember Drogba having similar issues in his first season in the PL
He is a good finisher with both feet, can dribble and beat defenders 1 vs 1, has a good first touch generally, links up well with a second attacker, picks good passes and makes good decisions in the final third.
Most importantly though for a striker he does not panic in front of goal and usually picks the best finishing option
One thing I think he needs to improve on is his movement and positioning but this is something I think you learn over time, he played a lot with a strike partner at Atalanta so playing as a lone striker is very different and he is adjusting
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What the feck are you talking about?
This is a young player with HUGE potential to be one of the worlds most complete strikers around. We saw periods last year where he showed class and that without very little help when it comes to crosses especially.
Will be sure to quote your post when he starts to fire on all cylinders.
I think you have a different picture of Hojlund because you have seen him in Italy, what I really don't care too much about. He seems quite far from EPL level in all those aspects you named so we can just agree to disagree, especially if you truly believe that "has a good first touch generally".
Yeah agree and I didn't mean he only had to work on his finishing. Increasing his tally would yes also include being in the right spot at the right time.
But looking at last season, what was the bigger problem? Rasmus being in the wrong place to finish chances or the chances not being created in the first place?
Not sure if it's been discussed already but why is his surname in his instagram spelt differently?
https://www.instagram.com/rasmus.hoejlund/?hl=en-gb
https://www.instagram.com/rasmus.hoejlund/?hl=en-gb
"oe" is often used when "ø" is not available, such as URLs, for example. Similarly æ is placed by ae, and å is replaced by aa.
It’s very common for this type of player to develop the skills needed for the striker position later than others in different positions.
He is really quick, but hasn’t gotten many chances to show it. I remember that he outran Van de Ven for example. He is not below average at holding the ball and will improve and his passing is way above average - he’s played some brilliant through balls for Garnacho for example.
I haven’t checked his stats but I’m sure you’ll see that they back up that he’s a great talent.
Cheers Mikæ.
I think that is THE question. I think it's on the team mostly, but at the same time it seems McTominay is like a magnet for those kind of chances so I'm not sure.
I think he's a wrong profile striker for the team that we are currently, what adds to those problems as well. In terms of number of goals scored he far exceeded my expectations for last season so it's not like we're doomed, but I do have concerns on him.
He is going to play as a RW if we get Zirzkee.
Gives him the chance to finish off chances like David Villa with a False 9 like Zirkzee & be on his stronger foot.
Gives him the chance to finish off chances like David Villa with a False 9 like Zirkzee & be on his stronger foot.
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He played 3096 minutes for us, so around 34-35 full games of playtime, scored 16 goals, despite receiving nothing for the whole season from his teammates.
The doubters should ask themselves how many goals would he have scored for City or Arsenal in 3096 minutes. I don't think it's an outrageous claim to say at least 25. And 25 goals in 35 games is a great number, especially at 21.
Hojlund definitely won't play RW.
I wonder if there is any truth in the story that we offered him to Napoli in part exchange for Osimhem, if there is it shows dont have a lot of belief in his ability to play at this level.
Maybe this will cheer you up
Someone better tell INEOS, EtH and the marketing department then. As he was one of the names reported as being not for sale along with Garnacho and Mainoo.
Stop believing every daft transfer rumour dreamed up by dogshit journalists.
Who reported he was one of those that was not for sale, was it those same so-called dogshit journalists?
What should be the expectations for him for the new season?
I'm hoping for a minimum 20 goals on all competition, but I do believe he will reach that easily and hit 25 to 30 goals all competition.
I wonder if there's any truth in the idea that we didn't.
Thank you for sharing this. Many of the doubters should really take note. Some of the posts I've come across on previous pages have been incredibly harsh. His main issue is inconsistency, whether it's with his touch or his goal-scoring for us. It's worth noting that he had a stop-start season due to a back injury upon arrival, with virtually no preseason, and later another injury. His fundamentals are there; he just needs to piece it all together.
As for those claiming he only finishing is blasting with his left foot, it's disingenuous. Either you don't watch our games, have short memories, or are pushing an agenda. I argued this with another poster in the Zirkzee thread too. How can anyone watch the variety of goals he's scored for us and still think he's one-dimensional?
For those saying his finishing lacks variety, they really need to give their head a wobble.
Do you have a link to that story?
Apparently this rumour comes from La Repubblica. I have no clue who they are.
Any of our italian Caf members that can enlighten us? @giorno ?
This is cherrypicked of course, but it's a good reminder that he can actually do good hold-up play and generally use the ball well. He just needs improve his decision making and consistency a lot.
It is a "serious" newspaper. That is bs though.
Osimhen is not a good footballer and we’d be better off sticking. He will get exposed at a bigger club. He has some qualities like pressing and heading, but his technical level will be too far behind his teammates at a top side.
Watching this video, he would have had so many assists if the rest of the attackers were not absolute pony.
No truth. Some idiot on Reddit has plucked that out of their arse.
Yeah its the same with Bruno. Hopefully Ruud can teach them all how to finish their dinner.
The consistency is the big thing. He's shown he's capable of doing most things well, it's just that so far those good moments have been in the minority. The most obvious example being his hold-up play, where he's had 10 or so games where he's actually done very well, but the other 35 or so games he's struggled (sometimes being downright terrible). The same can be said for most aspects of his game.
Developing that consistency is what will determine whether he works out here. If he doesn't improve it he'll ultimately not be good enough. If he improves it a bit he'll probably be a decent squad player level. If he improves it significantly he might well end up being good enough to be our first-choice striker for the next decade. It's why I'm sitting here shaking my head at the extremes on both sides of the argument when it comes to Rasmus, as nobody can know how things will go. It doesn't make sense to either write him off or back him unconditionally.
The issue with Hojlund isn’t the goals for me. The biggest problem with him is the number of games he’s a complete ghost. It’s one of the reasons I hate the overuse of stats.
I always point to Lukaku’s first season here. He scored 27 goals which is a very respectable goal tally but there were many, myself included that weren’t moved by the number.
If a player plays 50 games a season and does absolutely nothing in 30 games, whether they score 20 in the remaining 20 games is of no use to me. The damage has been done in the games where they couldn’t make any impact. You’d even prefer if he was like Jackson and Nunez where they make things happen but can’t finish, Hojlund is just a complete ghost in most games.
Hojlund scored 16 in his first season and Martial only scored one more in his . You’ll notice there is a massive difference in how both were viewed after their first seasons.
I always point to Lukaku’s first season here. He scored 27 goals which is a very respectable goal tally but there were many, myself included that weren’t moved by the number.
If a player plays 50 games a season and does absolutely nothing in 30 games, whether they score 20 in the remaining 20 games is of no use to me. The damage has been done in the games where they couldn’t make any impact. You’d even prefer if he was like Jackson and Nunez where they make things happen but can’t finish, Hojlund is just a complete ghost in most games.
Hojlund scored 16 in his first season and Martial only scored one more in his . You’ll notice there is a massive difference in how both were viewed after their first seasons.
The expectation should be that he develops his game as a backup to whichever striker we sign to be our main man.
He isn't good enough to be our first choice 9 at this early point in his career. If we rely on him to be that player, we'll once again struggle to score goals.
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