[Jezpeza]

Just looking at some stats - 1159 minutes for us so far. Probably wont feature much again all season.

On course for completing 13 full games in terms of minutes in 2 seasons. 1 goal, 1 assist for us.

Looking at the fee and wages vs his contract length and that we needed other positions more, probably the worst signing in the history of the club.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

When fit, he's struggled to make a significant impact and has often appeared underwhelming. That said, Amorim is clearly a big believer in his potential, and if he manages to stay fit next season, he could play a key role in the squad. However, given his injury history, I’m not very confident he’ll maintain the fitness needed to make that happen.

 

[Monmouthshire Red]

He's a decent player, but looking like another Owen Hargreaves.

 

[Ace Krampus]

I'm just going off what you said:


I really don't want to keep repeating myself but some on here seem to love revising facts and sentiment surrounding fan opinion on this signing. This was always a head-scratcher of a transfer for at least half of us. A player of Kovacic's profile was what the majority preferred and if we really wanted a 10, we'd rather have signed Maddison. He was also mediocre for Chelsea that season. I watched them closely because I was actively betting against them.

Edit: Here's his old transfer thread. I just glanced through the 1st few pages and I'd say more than half didn't want him. https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mason-mount-confirmed.475677/

Prescient stuff by user @TheNewEra in that thread by proclaiming: "A nothing player that belongs in a relegation scrapping team"

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

He's a decent player, but looking like another Owen Hargreaves.

Owen Hargreaves gave us one season when he was available (3/4th of the season) also remember his important contributions such as free kick against Fulham, Arsenal. In that one season he scored more goals than Mount has scored for us in two seasons and he was a fecking DM.

Mount was supposed to show us a better version of Bruno, (I.e. Bruno without his recklessness). What we have seen here till now is a player who is a good presser and ability to keep the ball but without any cutting edge. It feels he forgot his shooting boots in Chelsea and tends to miss very easy chances.

I think we can safely say for this one, the fans were right. I don’t remember the last time fans were soo against any signings and were proven right. But then again anybody who has ever seen him play for England knew his limitations and questioned the need for him. what I expected was for him to be available even that seems to be too much for him.

 

[Fortitude]

A bigger concern than the sideline is the kind of player he is. Utterly dependent on his physical graft and prowess - in fact, it’s what he made his name from. Without it, there’s no point to him being here and it’s a massive concern in terms of any return he has to the fold. Can his even more beaten body then handle the ridiculous intensity? The answer to that is obviously not, unless something new is attempted with his recovery and training. Right now, just like Shaw, you can pretty much guarantee that whenever he gets back, the amount of time until he’s injured again will be minuscule.

We’re in serious trouble with this signing.

 

[TheNewEra]

Prescient stuff by user @TheNewEra in that thread by proclaiming: "A nothing player that belongs in a relegation scrapping team"

Even if he came and showed glimpses, the problem for Mason is he can't stay fit. He will be another Shaw for us that even if he performs when he does play he just cant get a string of games together.

For now he's no better than Shaw, or even VDB in my eyes.

Every coach that has spoken about Mason has said he is a coaches dream that he tries hard, has the right attitude. Lampard loved him for that very reason but the reality is so far 22 appearances, 1 goal and 1 assist. He's missed 30 games for us so far due to injury.

Even if he can play being the striker in Amorims team, I'd rather have Amad in that position.

 

[Escobar]

He could add balance and be key for Amorim but so useless with so many injuries

 

[groovyalbert]

Would love to witness the medicals we make players take. How did we sanction this transfer?

 

[Ekeke]

Owen Hargreaves gave us one season when he was available (3/4th of the season) also remember his important contributions such as free kick against Fulham, Arsenal. In that one season he scored more goals than Mount has scored for us in two seasons and he was a fecking DM.

Mount was supposed to show us a better version of Bruno, (I.e. Bruno without his recklessness). What we have seen here till now is a player who is a good presser and ability to keep the ball but without any cutting edge. It feels he forgot his shooting boots in Chelsea and tends to miss very easy chances.

I think we can safely say for this one, the fans were right. I don’t remember the last time fans were soo against any signings and were proven right. But then again anybody who has ever seen him play for England knew his limitations and questioned the need for him. what I expected was for him to be available even that seems to be too much for him.

Nobody ever said Mount was going to be better than Bruno. And Hargreaves failed as a DM. First it was said he would be an upgrade on Carrick. Then when he actually came in we went to 5 in midfield playing Carrick, Scholes and Hargreaves. It didnt benefit us though and we went back to the midfield duo. Hargreaves was then behind Fletcher as well as the other 2 in the pecking order.

He made it as a fullback for a bunch of games. Also the competition for places was a lot higher then, I'm sure he'd get games next to Ugarte in the current side.

 

[steeeb]

Shame we can't just mutually terminate his contract.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Nobody ever said Mount was going to be better than Bruno. And Hargreaves failed as a DM. First it was said he would be an upgrade on Carrick. Then when he actually came in we went to 5 in midfield playing Carrick, Scholes and Hargreaves. It didnt benefit us though and we went back to the midfield duo. Hargreaves was then behind Fletcher as well as the other 2 in the pecking order.

He made it as a fullback for a bunch of games. Also the competition for places was a lot higher then, I'm sure he'd get games next to Ugarte in the current side.

Not to mention playing right midfield in the UCL final first half (Hargreaves that is). Played pretty well too.

 

[gulli_G]

Shame we can't just mutually terminate his contract.

We should start putting fitness clauses into contracts, if player is not fit enough for a percentage of games his salary goes down, other clauses kick in etc.

 

[Ekeke]

Not to mention playing right midfield in the UCL final first half (Hargreaves that is). Played pretty well too.

Oh yeah, of course he had individual games in other positions including DM where he did well. Just couldnt stay in the team as a DM, but thats competing with Scholes, Carrick and Fletcher who would all be in the team every week now if one of them were playing now.

 

[No Love]

My Mason shall never play.

 

[Bondi77]

Shame we can't just mutually terminate his contract.

Not just his either!

 

[AjaxCunian]

Watching the PL highlights and seeing the likes of Cunha, Gibbs-White, Joao Pedro, Eze, Iwobi, Rogers, Ndiaye, Kulusevski, Damsgaard (leaving out the obvious world class attacking midfielders in the Prem) and I wonder is Mount even on their level? He has had almost no attacking contribution ever since he's joined, 1 goal and 1 assist. He doesn't create, the only thing he's good for is breaking up play.

I remember some justified his signing by saying he would be an upgrade in Fred and have a similar role.. I think Fred scored and created more than he does.

Get rid as soon as possible.

 

[Insanity]

Watching the PL highlights and seeing the likes of Cunha, Gibbs-White, Joao Pedro, Eze, Iwobi, Rogers, Ndiaye, Kulusevski, Damsgaard (leaving out the obvious world class attacking midfielders in the Prem) and I wonder is Mount even on their level? He has had almost no attacking contribution ever since he's joined, 1 goal and 1 assist. He doesn't create, the only thing he's good for is breaking up play.

I remember some justified his signing by saying he would be an upgrade in Fred and have a similar role.. I think Fred scored and created more than he does.

Get rid as soon as possible.

He is ours till his contract expires. We need to pray that he can stay fit for at least half the games in a season and contribute the next three seasons. I read somewhere that he has played an equivalent of 13 (or was it 11) games for us since we signed him. That's freaking preposterous. His overall cost to us would be in excess of Gbp 100m by the time his contract expires. It's a staggering amount of money to waste for a player who would spend most of his time on then treatment table.

There were two players available that summer in whom both Liverpool and us were interested: Mount and McAllister. Just our luck that McAllister decided to sign for Liverpool at a lower fees, and most likely on lower wages, while we got Mount for 55m+5m & gave him a Gbp 250k/wk contract (as per most accounts). McAllister made so much more sense for us than Mount did.

Anything giving competition to our incompetence these last 12 years is our rotten luck.

 

[Oldyella]

We should start putting fitness clauses into contracts, if player is not fit enough for a percentage of games his salary goes down, other clauses kick in etc.

Good luck signing players with those inserts in contracts.

Injuries happen to players. There's no point getting angry at the player like some here seem to constantly do.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Watching the PL highlights and seeing the likes of Cunha, Gibbs-White, Joao Pedro, Eze, Iwobi, Rogers, Ndiaye, Kulusevski, Damsgaard (leaving out the obvious world class attacking midfielders in the Prem) and I wonder is Mount even on their level? He has had almost no attacking contribution ever since he's joined, 1 goal and 1 assist. He doesn't create, the only thing he's good for is breaking up play.

I remember some justified his signing by saying he would be an upgrade in Fred and have a similar role.. I think Fred scored and created more than he does.

Get rid as soon as possible.

No player can contribute to anything when he doesn't play.
He was one of the best AM's when he was at Chelsea and he was fit, what happened to him after joining us is another mystery, we are are the Bermuda Triangle for football players.

 

[Crackers]

What did he actually injure? He had a collision during the City game on the 11th and it looked like his knee. Looking online the injury reports would lead you to believe it's his thigh, which was reported on the 15th. I think I even saw reports of hamstring issues. Anyone got a clear idea of the injury and the grade?

 

[AjaxCunian]

No player can contribute to anything when he doesn't play.
He was one of the best AM's when he was at Chelsea and he was fit, what happened to him after joining us is another mystery, we are are the Bermuda Triangle for football players.

A mystery to you, he wasnt great in his last season for Chelsea and total crap for England.

Most of his assists in his decent season were from set pieces, never what we needed.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

A mystery to you, he wasnt great in his last season for Chelsea and total crap for England.

Most of his assists in his decent season were from set pieces, never what we needed.

He wasn't great in his last season for Chelsea, but I doubt we bought him just for that, without considering his previous 3.

 

[AjaxCunian]

He wasn't great in his last season for Chelsea, but I doubt we bought him just for that, without considering his previous 3.

A player that looked long past his best, unable to really reach world class let alone top class level.

Just look at his transfer thread, more than 80% were much against this signing. If he was that great, surely Chelsea would have moved heaven and earth to keep their star player.

He works hard, is reasonably two footed and had a good shot/shooting technique. Never some amazing creative attacking midfielder.

Would trade him for nearly every attacking midfielder in the league, even Andreas Pereira has been better looking at the last 3 seasons.

 

[Red in STL]

We should start putting fitness clauses into contracts, if player is not fit enough for a percentage of games his salary goes down, other clauses kick in etc.

Would you accept a wage cut if you got an injury at work that stopped you working?

 

[SparcMac]

We should start putting fitness clauses into contracts, if player is not fit enough for a percentage of games his salary goes down, other clauses kick in etc.

Send the invoice to the next hack in Europa League who breaks our player's leg.

 

[Catalandevil]

Would you accept a wage cut if you got an injury at work that stopped you working?

I guess what the other poster is suggesting is that we should reduce the base pay for our players and increase bonuses based on appearances, goal contributions, etc.

All clubs already do that. Potentially, if we had more negotiation power, we could be a bit more aggressive, but I don’t have any details.

 

[joedirt87]

He's a decent player, but looking like another Owen Hargreaves.

Hargo had at least gave us a good season before being permanently broken, we can hardly get a single game from Mount before he breaks again.

 

[Red in STL]

I guess what the other poster is suggesting is that we should reduce the base pay for our players and increase bonuses based on appearances, goal contributions, etc.

All clubs already do that. Potentially, if we had more negotiation power, we could be a bit more aggressive, but I don’t have any details.

Base pay and bonuses linked to appearances I suspect are pretty normal, even at United, personally I don't like individual goal contributions tied to bonuses

Don't see many players agreeing to a contract that reduces their wages when unfit to play, such a scenario is almost always related to an injury which is part of the game and beyond their control

 

[gulli_G]

Would you accept a wage cut if you got an injury at work that stopped you working?

If I was not able to do my job there is a clause where I can be let go so yes

 

[gulli_G]

Send the invoice to the next hack in Europa League who breaks our player's leg.

Things like that should be a claim IMO, that basically ruined his chances of playing regular.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

A player that looked long past his best, unable to really reach world class let alone top class level.

Just look at his transfer thread, more than 80% were much against this signing. If he was that great, surely Chelsea would have moved heaven and earth to keep their star player.

He works hard, is reasonably two footed and had a good shot/shooting technique. Never some amazing creative attacking midfielder.

Would trade him for nearly every attacking midfielder in the league, even Andreas Pereira has been better looking at the last 3 seasons.

Problem with him is that he is always injured, it is very hard to asses his qualities nowadays when he missed almost 2 full years.
Andreas Pereira was mediocre at best for us, but at least he was available, that's the main difference.
People were against his signing, and rightly so, because his transfer didn't make sense, he could not replace Bruno and he was not a CM as shown when he played there. Now his position is relevant again, as we are using 2 AM's and he might be useful if he will become available to play again.

 

[Red in STL]

If I was not able to do my job there is a clause where I can be let go so yes

If you were unable to work after being injured on the job thru no fault of your own and were on a fixed term contract then I would think your contract would have to be paid up - employers often have insurance for these scenarios - football clubs certainly do for some, if not all, players

 

[gulli_G]

If you were unable to work after being injured on the job thru no fault of your own and were on a fixed term contract then I would think your contract would have to be paid up - employers often have insurance for these scenarios - football clubs certainly do for some, if not all, players

I would think so, they should cut their losses and make a claim. But my initial comment was general and not aimed at Luke specifically, more towards the mount types, who just keep picking injuries.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Problem with him is that he is always injured, it is very hard to asses his qualities nowadays when he missed almost 2 full years.
Andreas Pereira was mediocre at best for us, but at least he was available, that's the main difference.
People were against his signing, and rightly so, because his transfer didn't make sense, he could not replace Bruno and he was not a CM as shown when he played there. Now his position is relevant again, as we are using 2 AM's and he might be useful if he will become available to play again.

The fact that he's always injured is one of the majn problems I'd say, tbe other one being that his best qualities are off the ball and not on it.

Agree with you other than that.

 

[AjaxCunian]

I would think so, they should cut their losses and make a claim. But my initial comment was general and not aimed at Luke specifically, more towards the mount types, who just keep picking injuries.

Quite an easy way around this right? Lower base salary, and more incentives based on the amount of games you play, goals you score etc.

Play no games, and you only earn the base salary.

Play a lot, score a lot, assist a lot etc and you earn fortunes..

 

[fergiewherearethou]

The fact that he's always injured is one of the majn problems I'd say, tbe other one being that his best qualities are off the ball and not on it.

Agree with you other than that.

Judging by what we have right now, I'd say that even his on the ball qualities are good enough for us.
But the discussion about his footballing qualities are redundant when he is physically unable to play. We don't know if he will ever string together 15-20 games consecutively for us. We've seen many players fading away once the injuries spiral starts and very few manage to overcome them.

 

[gulli_G]

Quite an easy way around this right? Lower base salary, and more incentives based on the amount of games you play, goals you score etc.

Play no games, and you only earn the base salary.

Play a lot, score a lot, assist a lot etc and you earn fortunes..

Not sure as their maybe exception clauses due to injury. Contracts can be funny things when trying to agree interpretations. Best to draft them with clear clauses related to injury that comply with statute, law etc. to avoid ambiguity.

 

[hellhunter]

Quite an easy way around this right? Lower base salary, and more incentives based on the amount of games you play, goals you score etc.

Play no games, and you only earn the base salary.

Play a lot, score a lot, assist a lot etc and you earn fortunes..

Why would a player sign that contract?

 

[andersj]

Why would a player sign that contract?

Their must be an incentive. For instance that a player that play every game for a side that are top four or the win a title can earn a lot more.