[lsd]

It’s a long thread but you’ve got the wrong end of the stick and misunderstood what’s being said. I’m defending Rashford - have somehow got sidetracked by the somewhat irrelevant though interesting Beckham discussion.

I haven't read all the posts it's depressing there are so many but I know the topic seems to be Rashford should be thankful he isn't getting the abuse Beckham and others have gotten as if it matters what level of abuse there is.

We should be taking about helping him and not constantly knocking him with nonsense like this person got it worse or whatever.

It seems too many idiots blame him now for everything wrong in their own lives and just won't be happy until they drive him out.

We are not going to be magically better without him. This is the same as people thinking we would be better without Pogba, without Sancho, without Ronaldo, and a lot more.

That's not how you improve

 

[afrocentricity]

I haven't read all the posts it's depressing there are so many but I know the topic seems to be Rashford should be thankful he isn't getting the abuse Beckham and others have gotten as if it matters what level of abuse there is.

We should be taking about helping him and not constantly knocking him with nonsense like this person got it worse or whatever.

It seems too many idiots blame him now for everything wrong in their own lives and just won't be happy until they drive him out.

We are not going to be magically better without him. This is the same as people thinking we would be better without Pogba, without Sancho, without Ronaldo, and a lot more.

That's not how you improve

It's been eye opening..... as a microcosm of people in general - and how they feel about and discuss other people, it's really sad

feck social media tbh, redcafe is about as deep as I'm willing to go into online communities and discussion now, and it's slowly catching up with the rest of them for toxicity....

I cant even be mad, why would this place forever remain apart? it's an amalgamation of its users, who have changed over the years, in line with the rest of the internet.

 

[Giggsy13]

As a winger?

No as someone who could score goals. We could buy a LWB as well but this team is screaming out for a reliable goal scoring threat and the club has fecked around far too long not bringing in a highly rated and proven striker.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

I haven't read all the posts it's depressing there are so many but I know the topic seems to be Rashford should be thankful he isn't getting the abuse Beckham and others have gotten as if it matters what level of abuse there is.

We should be taking about helping him and not constantly knocking him with nonsense like this person got it worse or whatever.

It seems too many idiots blame him now for everything wrong in their own lives and just won't be happy until they drive him out.

We are not going to be magically better without him. This is the same as people thinking we would be better without Pogba, without Sancho, without Ronaldo, and a lot more.

That's not how you improve

I’m confused by this, are you saying we were wrong to get rid of any of those players?

 

[Halfquarter]

I’m confused by this, are you saying we were wrong to get rid of any of those players?

Exactly , it was very frustrating watching these players when they were playing.
I think most people just want players to work hard for the team and put in a decent shift, after that the results should take care of themselves.

 

[Bo_devil]

Yes racist abuse and personal hate should be a great motivation

I'm talking about player performance criticism.

Jose Mourinho was known for creating a siege mentality in his teams, especially in his first stint as Chelsea manager. A siege mentality is when a manager or coach creates a sense of hostility from outside the club to motivate their players. Mourinho uses this tactic to:

• Channel a sense of injustice into aggressive performances
• Strengthen the unity of the squad
• Present the EFL and game officials as out to get his team

It seems everybody was or is out to get Rashford. Does the player have it in him to turn performance criticism into aggressive performances? It appears not

Over the years, I always had wished the likes of Pogba, Rashford, Martial had made the critics eat their words. But I was always disappointed, I wanted these guys to ram it back down their throats. But it never happened, I started to think that they just didn't care much. You could sense it just by how they strolled around the pitch, loosely challenging players. I'd see matches where the likes of Jon shelvy would make an utter mug out of Pogba, and there was no clap back, he didn't care, I could see it. They just had weak mentalities.

 

[Vidooq]

This public defending by Ian Wright is shameful. Nobody wants him to fail, on the contrary, everyone, but Marcus Rashford, wants him to see and succeed in the United shirt. This 100% backing by Fosu Mensah and Sancho is just unnecessary.

 

[lsd]

This public defending by Ian Wright is shameful. Nobody wants him to fail, on the contrary, everyone, but Marcus Rashford, wants him to see and succeed in the United shirt. This 100% backing by Fosu Mensah and Sancho is just unnecessary.

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

 

[AndySmith1990]

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

Right. People who took a banner to a football game deserve to be hurt. But you're disgusted by people calling Rashford names for being a lazy bastard. A little bit hypocritical me thinks

 

[Pickle85]

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

I think you may need to take a step back and a deep breath mate. It's really not that serious.

 

[clarkydaz]

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

You mean people who travel the length of the country at their own expense, the hardcore top red element who defend the club to the nth degree? Finally shown theyve had enough of his little princess behaviour on/off the pitch

 

[Cloud7]

The fact that there is always this much hurrah about anything Rashford related is exactly why we should get rid of him. The club doesn't need all this noise at a time when the team and the new manager are trying to find their footing, and we certainly don't need all of the aforementioned noise to be revolving around an underperforming player.

 

[lsd]

You mean people who travel the length of the country at their own expense, the hardcore top red element who defend the club to the nth degree? Finally shown theyve had enough of his little princess behaviour on/off the pitch

I mean absolute lowlifes and pricks looking to blame a footballer for everything wrong with their own lives

 

[Pughnichi]

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

So because someone wants a player to be sold they are spoilt and entitled?

Nonsense

People simply want what’s best for their club. That means good players remain at the club and the lesser players are moved on. MR hasn’t been a good player for almost 2 years…and subsequently people believe he should be sold. It’s kinda how football works.

Should we have persevered with Darron Gibson, Craig Cathcart, Ben Pearson, John Curtis, Michael Keane, Anthony Elanga, Tahith Chong? I could go on.

Ashamed and disgusted? But not before wishing hurt on other people?

 

[Bastian]

He worked hard at home to Brentford. The team did, to a man. So we know it's absolutely voluntary on his behalf.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Was football always so cultish with regards to player support? Because it clearly is now especially in conjunction with social media where you'll just see "X player prop" all over with agendas everywhere. It's so strange.

Even now with Rashford, there are people acting like fans are the devil for wanting to see an underperforming/low effort player leave the club. I don't care if he's from the academy or not, when you don't want to consistently give your all on and off the pitch for the club you shouldn't get to be shielded by the "local lad bred in Carrington" nonsense that people get caught up in. We will always bring more top quality youth products through the team, Rashford wasn't the last I promise you. Give me a random foreign player that gives everything he has and holds himself to the highest standards for the club each day of the week over the academy product that's beloved like a hero but treats his position like a 9-5 factory job that he can't wait to get home from.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Was football always so cultish with regards to player support? Because it clearly is now especially in conjunction with social media where you'll just see "X player prop" all over with agendas everywhere. It's so strange.

Even now with Rashford, there are people acting like fans are the devil for wanting to see an underperforming/low effort player leave the club. I don't care if he's from the academy or not, when you don't want to consistently give your all on and off the pitch for the club you shouldn't get to be shielded by the "local lad bred in Carrington" nonsense that people get caught up in. We will always bring more top quality youth products through the team, Rashford wasn't the last I promise you. Give me a random foreign player that gives everything he has and holds himself to the highest standards for the club each day of the week over the academy product that's beloved like a hero but treats his position like a 9-5 factory job that he can't wait to get home from.

It happens across every club fanbase. This notion that ‘United fans are toxic and worst fans in the world’ is a massive exaggeration. Those people haven’t looked outside to see what’s happening elsewhere.

Compared to the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona fans, it’s pretty fecking tame. I haven’t see anyone throw a pigs head at Tevez when he played for City or fans attack United players’ cars as they’re leaving Old Trafford after a loss.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

It happens across every club fanbase. This notion that ‘United fans are toxic and worst fans in the world’ is a massive exaggeration. Those people haven’t looked outside to see what’s happening elsewhere.

Compared to the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona fans, it’s pretty fecking tame. I haven’t see anyone throw a pigs head at Tevez when he played for City or fans attack United players’ cars as they’re leaving Old Trafford after a loss.

Yeah I said something similar with regards to fans attitude towards managers here and how lax we are relative to any other big club.

But our own fans say we are unbelievably toxic because a random cnut influencer videos himself mocking Garnacho once in a corny way, while Madrid fans would literally be stopping Bale from leaving the parking lot after a poor game.

 

[AarhusUnited]

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

So people who take a banner to a football game you dont like, deserved to be hurt, no wonder there is so much hate in the world...

And talk about hate and then come up with something like that.. You cant make this shit up

 

[The Serpent]

Fans have petitioned for years for rashford to leave, he now announces he wants to leave and people are even angrier now to the point we now have fans putting up banners at games he doesn't start

And people comparing the situation to beckham are equally crazy, united fans supported him it was rivals and die hard england fans who scapegoated Beckham for the red card and a lot of it was born out of jealously, good looking, young and millionaire with talent. Even when Beckham had the bust up with fergie in the dressing room and showed off his cut in the car to milk it for the world to see, our fans never turned on him and that's what helped him to get through most of the abuse because our fans back then rarely if ever turned on our very own players unless they tried to join one of most hated bitter rivals

 

[Steve 007]

I haven't read all the posts it's depressing there are so many but I know the topic seems to be Rashford should be thankful he isn't getting the abuse Beckham and others have gotten as if it matters what level of abuse there is.

We should be taking about helping him and not constantly knocking him with nonsense like this person got it worse or whatever.

It seems too many idiots blame him now for everything wrong in their own lives and just won't be happy until they drive him out.

We are not going to be magically better without him. This is the same as people thinking we would be better without Pogba, without Sancho, without Ronaldo, and a lot more.

That's not how you improve

No need for hatred, but he’s either massively overrated or massively underperforming. He doesn’t want to stay so we need to get what we can. We will be better in the long run just like with Pogba. You either do it consistently or you don’t and he hasn’t.

 

[VP]

No what's shameful are spoilt entitled United fans hating on their own player and now anyone who naturally defends him from the hate.

As for those United fans who took that banner last night they are absolutely lowlifes who deserve nothing but hurt.

I've never been as ashamed and disgusted of a fanbase in my life as I am off United fans over this.

what a drama queen. Yes it's the fans who are spoilt and entitled--not the lazy, mediocre, highest-earning player who has just thrown his team under the bus. Hope Rashford takes his fanboys with him when he does feck off.

 

[afrocentricity]

Yes it's the fans who are spoilt and entitled--not the lazy, mediocre, highest-earning player...

Cant it be both?

 

[Matt851]

Fans have petitioned for years for rashford to leave, he now announces he wants to leave and people are even angrier now to the point we now have fans putting up banners at games he doesn't start

And people comparing the situation to beckham are equally crazy, united fans supported him it was rivals and die hard england fans who scapegoated Beckham for the red card and a lot of it was born out of jealously, good looking, young and millionaire with talent. Even when Beckham had the bust up with fergie in the dressing room and showed off his cut in the car to milk it for the world to see, our fans never turned on him and that's what helped him to get through most of the abuse because our fans back then rarely if ever turned on our very own players unless they tried to join one of most hated bitter rivals

I am sure a lot of the anger is coming from the perception he isn't putting effort in. That isn't helped by him seemingly not trying to get back into the squad

 

[Maureen-yo]

I am sure a lot of the anger is coming from the perception he isn't putting effort in. That isn't helped by him seemingly not trying to get back into the squad

But why are people angry about that when every second post is people saying that he’s not been good enough for years except for a purple patch?

 

[Adisa]

It’s like there are two separate debates going on here.
The main issue is that for a while, Rashford has refused to work hard on the pitch.

 

[Oranges038]

Fans have petitioned for years for rashford to leave, he now announces he wants to leave and people are even angrier now to the point we now have fans putting up banners at games he doesn't start

And people comparing the situation to beckham are equally crazy, united fans supported him it was rivals and die hard england fans who scapegoated Beckham for the red card and a lot of it was born out of jealously, good looking, young and millionaire with talent. Even when Beckham had the bust up with fergie in the dressing room and showed off his cut in the car to milk it for the world to see, our fans never turned on him and that's what helped him to get through most of the abuse because our fans back then rarely if ever turned on our very own players unless they tried to join one of most hated bitter rivals

Beckham delivered time and time and again in big moments in big games for Utd. So a lot of the noise and celebrity nonsense didn't really come into it from a fan point of view, we saw a player that went out on the pitch and gave everything for the team. Even the Real Madrid game where he was dropped and all the circus about him leaving had started, he came off the bench, played really well and scored.

Rashford doesn't deliver, at least not consistently and Utd aren't at a level where he can produce big moments in big games that really matter. He strolls and walks through games like he'd rather be anywhere else, there's no determination or intensity in his performances. People would forgive him for not scoring if he'd at least tried to work hard. He just doesn't. He gets dropped, then a journalist comes out with a puff piece about how much charity work he does and how he wants a new challenge. It's all just a circus that the team doesn't need, especially from one of the highest profile players and biggest earners at the club.

I think we should all realise that with footballers it all comes down to what they deliver on the pitch. If Rashford went out on the pitch and played like he cared, then he'd get some leeway even if he wasn't scoring. He doesn't and really hasn't for a long time, even when he was scoring his overall game still left a lot to be desired, but it was largely ignored because he scored. The only way to put it to bed for once and for all is for him to go.

 

[AbusementPark]

Fans have petitioned for years for rashford to leave, he now announces he wants to leave and people are even angrier now to the point we now have fans putting up banners at games he doesn't start

And people comparing the situation to beckham are equally crazy, united fans supported him it was rivals and die hard england fans who scapegoated Beckham for the red card and a lot of it was born out of jealously, good looking, young and millionaire with talent. Even when Beckham had the bust up with fergie in the dressing room and showed off his cut in the car to milk it for the world to see, our fans never turned on him and that's what helped him to get through most of the abuse because our fans back then rarely if ever turned on our very own players unless they tried to join one of most hated bitter rivals

Difference between both situations is the player attitude. Rashford has shown nothing but distain towards the club that gave him his break and rewarded him with a massive contract, only to come out and say he wants a new challenge instead of staying and facing the new challenge at his current club.

Fans get behind the players that want to be at the club and show it. Rashford regularly wanders around the pitch with zero output and effort. Beckham put maximum effort into training and playing, Rashford doesn’t. The fact Amorim dropped him from the squad for being lazy is testament to that. we’ve watched him over the last couple of seasons rarely running back and helping out and seems he’s better than that. Ronaldo attitude with mediocre output.

 

[statpadder]

what a drama queen. Yes it's the fans who are spoilt and entitled--not the lazy, mediocre, highest-earning player who has just thrown his team under the bus. Hope Rashford takes his fanboys with him when he does feck off.

It’s crazy isn’t it. The worst part as was pointed out by Neville and Carra, he’s not even that good a player.

A kick and run merchant who is selfish and has horrible decision making announces he wants to leave in the middle of the season and we have these weirdos blaming everyone and everything from racism, abuse, fans, manager etc.

Please take your fanboys Rashy.

 

[McTerminator]

I haven't read all the posts it's depressing there are so many but I know the topic seems to be Rashford should be thankful he isn't getting the abuse Beckham and others have gotten as if it matters what level of abuse there is.

We should be taking about helping him and not constantly knocking him with nonsense like this person got it worse or whatever.

It seems too many idiots blame him now for everything wrong in their own lives and just won't be happy until they drive him out.

We are not going to be magically better without him. This is the same as people thinking we would be better without Pogba, without Sancho, without Ronaldo, and a lot more.

That's not how you improve

Is Marcus going to come and give us a hand if we miss all our KPIs for two years?

He’s not a child, he’s a very rich man from a job he hasn’t performed in for far too long. United is not a charity when it comes to the footballing side and nor should it be.

 

[The Serpent]

Beckham delivered time and time and again in big moments in big games for Utd. So a lot of the noise and celebrity nonsense didn't really come into it from a fan point of view, we saw a player that went out on the pitch and gave everything for the team. Even the Real Madrid game where he was dropped and all the circus about him leaving had started, he came off the bench, played really well and scored.

Rashford doesn't deliver, at least not consistently and Utd aren't at a level where he can produce big moments in big games that really matter. He strolls and walks through games like he'd rather be anywhere else, there's no determination or intensity in his performances. People would forgive him for not scoring if he'd at least tried to work hard. He just doesn't. He gets dropped, then a journalist comes out with a puff piece about how much charity work he does and how he wants a new challenge. It's all just a circus that the team doesn't need, especially from one of the highest profile players and biggest earners at the club.

I think we should all realise that with footballers it all comes down to what they deliver on the pitch. If Rashford went out on the pitch and played like he cared, then he'd get some leeway even if he wasn't scoring. He doesn't and really hasn't for a long time, even when he was scoring his overall game still left a lot to be desired, but it was largely ignored because he scored. The only way to put it to bed for once and for all is for him to go.

In the last few years under ole and ten hag our best periods were when Rashford was performing and having big moments being our key player especially in games against arsenal, city, liverpool he's stepped up and scored the goals to keep us in the game. Thats not withstanding the fact the whole team haven't been performing. The games he's started Under Amorim he's tracked back and scored goals and still got berated. I think one game he came on in a cameo in Europa and showed poor desire and then that was the judgement that rashford still didn't care But he has looked like he's cared many a occasions, I've seen him rage at refs, hit the ground in frustration, come back early for pre season to train early, do boxing training during international break to work on his conditioning and cry in finals which some people said was for PR.

And lets not rewrite history, after he got dropped, the media released speculation that rashford was up for sale and everyone was saying how great it was to finally move him on. His team then respond that he is finally ready for a new challenge and move on and literally more anger is directed. He then doesn't even play and we still lose, and there banners in the ground telling him to get out of the club.

The guy can't win and how do we know when players are getting targeted like this by their own fans that it doesn't effect their confidence? It's no coincidence when Maguire was captain and our fans were mocking him and blaming him for everything he looked like a pub player. Now there is no eyes on him and targeting through the media he looks like a man utd player and no could accuse Maguire of not working hard during that period were he was public enemy no1. This ain't about work rate or showing you care it's just this generational of fans want a hate figure to lash out against.

 

[Oranges038]

In the last few years under ole and ten hag our best periods were when Rashford was performing and having big moments being our key player especially in games against arsenal, city, liverpool he's stepped up and scored the goals to keep us in the game. Thats not withstanding the fact the whole team haven't been performing. The games he's started Under Amorim he's tracked back and scored goals and still got berated. I think one game he came on in a cameo in Europa and showed poor desire and then that was the judgement that rashford still didn't care But he has looked like he's cared many a occasions, I've seen him rage at refs, hit the ground in frustration, come back early for pre season to train early, do boxing training during international break to work on his conditioning and cry in finals which some people said was for PR.

And lets not rewrite history, after he got dropped, the media released speculation that rashford was up for sale and everyone was saying how great it was to finally move him on. His team then respond that he is finally ready for a new challenge and move on and literally more anger is directed. He then doesn't even play and we still lose, and there banners in the ground telling him to get out of the club.

The guy can't win and how do we know when players are getting targeted like this by their own fans that it doesn't effect their confidence? It's no coincidence when Maguire was captain and our fans were mocking him and blaming him for everything he looked like a pub player. Now there is no eyes on him and targeting through the media he looks like a man utd player and no could accuse Maguire of not working hard during that period were he was public enemy no1. This ain't about work rate or showing you care it's just this generational of fans want a hate figure to lash out against.

Doesn't matter what he does in the background, what training videos he puts on social media, or what charity work he does.

If he scored consistently, worked hard and played like he gave a shit. He wouldn't be getting the same level of criticism, he wouldn't be dropped from the squad and he wouldn't be talking about leaving the club. And the fans wouldn't be have a reason to complain about him.

 

[VP]

Cant it be both?

I mean United fans often act spoilt, but I really don't think that's the case with Rashford, who has enjoyed a lot of patience from matchgoing fans. For sure the abuse online has been OTT at times, but that's more the nature of the internet than anything United- or Rashford- specific.

People being abusive online is like people getting drunk and obnoxious at bars--just an unavoidable inevitability. Take this Isd chap for instance, he's wishing "nothing but hurt" for fans putting up a pretty innocuous banner.

 

[Bondi77]

I think it is quite simple
His only real good position is on the left and now he is so inconsistent in that position and I think Alejandro is the better option anyway.
If there is a buyer out there and we can get rid then let's do it.

 

[afrocentricity]

Bottom line, if/when Rashford gets back on the pitch he has a chance to show the fans what he means. Does he want to fight, work for the team, and contribute to good performances..... Or does he want to leave, is he no longer invested in United? Everything else is noise....

 

[AndySmith1990]

Bottom line, if/when Rashford gets back on the pitch he has a chance to show the fans what he means. Does he want to fight, work for the team, and contribute to good performances..... Or does he want to leave, is he no longer invested in United? Everything else is noise....

He's had numerous chances to do that

 

[AarhusUnited]

Bottom line, if/when Rashford gets back on the pitch he has a chance to show the fans what he means. Does he want to fight, work for the team, and contribute to good performances..... Or does he want to leave, is he no longer invested in United? Everything else is noise....

And when he fail that for the 100th time, you say next game...

 

[Bastian]

Bottom line, if/when Rashford gets back on the pitch he has a chance to show the fans what he means. Does he want to fight, work for the team, and contribute to good performances..... Or does he want to leave, is he no longer invested in United? Everything else is noise....

This post could have been posted once a week for the last year. He's done. Hopefully him being motivated to leave makes it easier to shift him.

 

[Ali Dia]

Comparing him to Beckham is just nuts. Beckham was world class and always worked his ass off and the club still had no problem cutting ties with him at the first sign of trouble. This Rashford stuff has been banging on for years while he’s been shite

For me Rashford is like a Welbeck or a Sancho who was way over promoted. This is what happens when you make a star out of somebody who can’t handle it or doesn’t have the actual talent and/or desire to back it up. Just silly all round. I can’t wait for this chapter to end

 

[Robbie Boy]

This thread is fecking nuts.